Posted on 04/12/2022 3:39:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
Duh!
He did not intervene because he wants a shot at the presidency and backing of the rino GOP, he’s a traitor!
rubber stamp pence
Those dems sure own the whole kit and caboodle now.... haha!
Hindsight being 20/20 is still out of focus, but this UrkraniçRusso knife fight will throw a good dollop of the unknown into the next two election cycles.
Pence put Pence first that day and not America. He’s a gutless, spineless bureaucrat and disgusting to tens of millions of Americans.
His political career is over.
Pence treated the January 6 joint session of Congress as an event, not a process. As an event, he would just show up; as a process, he would assert his position throughout.
Throughout American history, scholars would always talk about how the Constitutional separation of powers was a tug of war between the branches: we sometimes had a strong President and a weak Congress, and sometimes we had a strong Congress and a weak President. It came down to the personality of the people in office and the needs of the country at the time. The branches were always accusing the others as engaging in "power grabs," and would often try to preempt a branch from acting strongly by prematurely leveling this charge.
I think most people would agree that Pence exhibits a weak personality compared to the other senior office holders in government, and would shy away from being seen as a "power grabber."
Setting that aside, let's look at the so-called "ceremonial roles" in the Constitution. The author is correct that we should not expect high office officials to neuter themselves in ceremonial roles. The Framers of the Constitution would not have done that to the people who achieved the highest offices in the nation. If these roles devolved into ceremonial care-taker positions, it's because the people who held them at pivotal times were weak and not assertive people, or they chose to subordinate themselves to another branch of government.
The most ceremonial role in the Constitution is that of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who presides over the impeachment trial in the Senate. A strong Senate has, over time, cowered the Chief Justice into being a clerk of the court, reducing the meaning of what it is to preside over a court. A strong Chief Justice could easily assert traditional court roles and make the Senate act for or against the Chief Justice (see how Tom Harkin (D-IA) bullied Chief Justice William Rehnquist during the Bill Clinton trial, playing on Rehnquist's reputation for being easygoing and non-confrontational).
As an event, the Chief Justice could just show up and keep time. As a process, the Chief Justice could participate in advance of the trial, laying down his expectations on how the trial would proceed, and telling Senators what to expect from him as the presiding officer. Look at how Chief Justice John Roberts told the Senate that he would not preside over the second trial of Donald Trump.
Vice President Pence should have treated the role of presiding over the counting of the Electoral College ballots as a process, too. Instead of just showing up on January 6 and gaveling in a joint session of Congress, he should have asserted his role all along, reminding Congress of what he will do when January 6 arrives if certain things do not happen between Election Day, the day of the Electoral College vote, and the day of counting the votes in Congress.
As the steward of the entire process, Pence should have spoken out immediately after Election Day, calling out the irregularities and telling the state legislatures that they should be asserting their Title 3 Chapter 1 powers immediately, because the clock was ticking.
Pence just showed up on the January 6 event to perform a ceremonial role of opening envelopes and reading votes, because he is not an assertive person and he chose not to be engaged in the process from beginning to end.
We want our elected Republican representatives to fight hard, but they won't. Even if they have an ace in the hole, they will still fold to the Democrat bluff hand after hand after hand. The few who do fight (e.g., Jim Jordan (OH), Allen West (FL, TX)) are threatened with redistricting by their own side.
And worse, they will tell the Democrats what they plan to do before the cards are even dealt! Just look at McCarthy announcing he will not impeach Biden, and McConnell saying he will make Biden serve as a moderate. There is no fight in either of them.
The Democrats know how to be power-grabbers; Republicans are repelled at the thought. Even President Trump abided by liberal judge-shopped court rulings and let years go by before appeals went his way, all the while listening to the LAAP-dog media calling him the dictator.
No Republican in Congress would want to stick their neck out while watching President Trump being lied about over and over in the media. It's almost like they've been Stockholm Syndromed by their Democrat captives to take positions against their own interests.
The Democrats know this, and strategize to take advantage of this fatal Republican weakness, because they know how to wield power and are unafraid to do it.
-PJ
I’ve yet to see Pence smile. Same for his Plain Jane wife.
No, thank Barr. Barr knew exactly what he was doing. No Barr, no successful coup. May Barr rot in hell.
You give Biden too much credit, and too many adjectives; “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
Biden, his handlers, and those that enabled him need to be in jail.
When Trump is re-elected in 2024 (which he will be), he needs to round these traitors up and put them in jail. Draining the swamp doesn’t work if they are free.
If Pence didn’t have the cahones to do the right thing on Jan 6th he should have resigned on Jan 5th. That WOULD HAVE CAUSES A COATITUTION CRISIS, WHICH WAS NEEDED AT THAT TIME, TO STRAIGHTEN OUT A STOLEN ELECTION.
I’m no fan of Mike Pence, but the mental retardation published by people like this author is exhausting.
There is no interpretation of any document related to the governance of a civilized society that gives one man the unilateral power to accept or reject the results of a clearly documented election process.
The notion that Al Gore (in the 2000 election) had any power whatsoever to “determine” whether or not to count election certificates is so breathtakingly stupid that it shouldn’t even have to be discussed by intelligent people.
Judas Pence is Deep State.
Opening sentence was reason enough to stop reading.
ping!
You give Xiden too much benefit of the doubt: never attribute to stupidity that which can be directly attributed to malice.
Xiden is an evil son of a bi*tch. His is the definition of a crime family right there.
Your entire post is a clinic. Well done.
Pickle smoocher Pence is a follower.
What has happened over time is that the process described in the 12th Amendment has become largely ceremonial because the events that would trigger the actions of Congress under the 12th Amendment — and which precipitated the adoption of the 12th Amendment after they previously took place in the early years of this country — simply haven’t taken place very much in recent years. I would contend that this is largely due to changes in the world related to modern technology that have rendered a number of constitutional processes “largely ceremonial.” Remember that the Constitution and it’s early amendments were written at a time when there were no modern forms of communication, and a horse was the fastest way for people to travel. Things that happen in minutes or hours today used to take days or weeks back then. Election results in states are published and broadcast long before Congress convenes to certify them. So what? It doesn’t make the process any less important, but it does change the way it unfolds in a formal setting.
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