My #32 quoted Renfrew and his analogy.
You would have advised Madison to surrender and hand the nation back to the British?”
You:
No, I am an American with an existential interest in that question.
Likewise Ukraine can do whatever they please until/unless some other force determines their future.
Now me:
So we were justified to fight for independence and repel the brits during both revolutionary war and in 1812, with the help of allies in both cases, because you are American with an existential interest.
But somehow it’s ok that the Ukrainians are invaded because a larger force will determine their future.
I wish you could hear yourself.