[Renfrew]

“Ukraine has a solid 30 years of being a country”

War of 1812, how long had the USA been independent? You would have advised Madison to surrender and hand the nation back to the British?

[JonPreston]

Madison

You realize Zelenskyy couldn't make a pimple on Madison's azz, right? Not to mention America was founded with Divine inspiration, unlike the Ukraine which is an American slush fund operation.

[Mariner]

“You would have advised Madison to surrender and hand the nation back to the British?”

No, I am an American with an existential interest in that question.

Likewise Ukraine can do whatever they please until/unless some other force determines their future.

[FarCenter]

You would have advised Madison to surrender and hand the nation back to the British?

We would have gotten the Louisiana Purchase without paying for it after 1814.

Probably no war with Mexico.

And it would have saved us the Civil War 50 years later.