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How did Kherson fall so quickly? Betrayal looks like a good bet
Gemm News ^ | March 30, 2022 | Admin

Posted on 03/30/2022 6:00:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Ukrainian regular army units defending the city have moved to the Kherson front as Ukraine retakes lost territory outside the city of Mykolaiv—territory that was lost because Kherson’s territorial defense forces didn’t fight, and they didn’t blow the main bridge connecting the city with Russian forces coming up from Crimea. As a result, Kherson still remains the only major Ukrainian city to fall to Russia.

This article in Russia’s Novaya Gazeta (link runs article through Google translate) gives us clues as to what happened.

How did you take Kherson? "Stupidity or betrayal, perhaps both," says former governor of the Kherson region Andrei Gordeev.

The article quotes that former governor, saying defensive plans included both flooding the region, as was done near Kyiv, as well as blowing the two major bridges over the Dneiper on the south side of Kherson. “The Dnieper, the Antonovsky bridge, keeps to the last, if anything, it explodes, and Kherson seems to be out of hostilities,” Google translates the former governor as saying. “[T]here is no bridge, we are just guarding the water line. Screw him who will cross, the Dnieper.”

All of these defenses could’ve been deployed in a single day. Instead, none of them were. Instead, the newspaper reports that “Incumbent Governor Gennady Laguta, according to colleagues, on the first day of the [special operation] put the keys on the mayor's desk with the words: "I do not participate in this" - and left the region.” Furthermore, “Together with him - on the first day of the special operation - the leadership of the police, the prosecutor's office, the courts left, and a little later SBU officers were evacuated.” (SBU officers are Ukraine’s intelligence officers.)

While other cities competently recruited, armed, and deployed their territorial defense forces—civilian partisans, Kherson seemingly willfully neglected theirs.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: andreigordeev; biden; chechens; chechnya; crimea; kherson; putin; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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The fall of Kherson may be Russia's most prominent success re the suborning of local authorities via sizable bribes. Others are alleged to have been bribed, pocketed the cash and kept fighting anyway.
1 posted on 03/30/2022 6:00:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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It’s some kinda world we live in when people will
steal your bribe like that


2 posted on 03/30/2022 6:11:25 PM PDT by tsomer
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Others are alleged to have been bribed, pocketed the cash and kept fighting anyway.
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No surprise. When the Ukies suddenly became a country in 1991, they had learned well about corruption, then upon their “:Independence “, they expanded it and became the most corrupted banking system in the world.
How? their corruption was/is sanctioned and supported by their government….think 10 percent to the big guy, Biden crime family.


3 posted on 03/30/2022 6:12:52 PM PDT by delta7
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How? their corruption was/is sanctioned and supported by their government….think 10 percent to the big guy, Biden crime family.

Putin bribed Ukrainians, and it's a Ukrainian problem? Putin has a $200b personal fortune. Maybe it's a Russian problem.

The fact is "Ukraine" didn't bribe Biden. Someone in Ukraine did. And that someone is ultimately Putin's lapdog.

One of the unheralded aspects of the Ukrainian scene is the way large numbers of Ukrainian oligarchs are owned by Putin. For instance, Burisma, a corporation that looms large in the Biden scandals, is owned by a Ukrainian businessman with indirect ties to Moscow.

It's possible Biden is slow-walking aid to Ukraine because he’s afraid that Putin will blow up his administration. Not with explosives, but by carefully laying out how he used cut-outs to bribe Hunter Biden, and by extension, Joe, in a way that no amount of denial by the media can scrub away.

Some people say Ukraine has its hooks into Biden. That’s absurd on its face. Saying that Biden is tied to Ukraine is like saying the Anwar Awlaki, US citizen anchor baby and the Yemeni terrorist, is tied to the US. The relationship is completely incidental. Biden’s real relationship is to Russia - Burisma’s owner is a pro-Moscow oligarch tied indirectly to Putin.

Yanukovich ran to Moscow because he was Putin’s man. Who was Yanukovich’s man, who left Ukraine when Yanukovich scuttled away to his master in Russia? Zlochevsky, who *co-incidentally* owned Burisma, the outfit that bribed Biden through Hunter.

Zlochevsky served as Ecology and Natural Resources Minister during most of the first cabinet of Mykola Azarov,[1] and during both the later part of Azarov’s first government and all of Azarov’s second government, he served as deputy secretary on National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.[1]

The bottom line? Countries don’t pay bribes. People do. If I had to guess who really bribed Biden, I’d say Putin, through a couple of intermediaries - Zlochevsky who was beholden to Yanukovich who was beholden to Putin. It’s really not that complicated, and makes for plausible deniability.

Why hasn’t the media made the connection? For the same reason it’s completely uninterested in Hunter Biden’s laptop.

4 posted on 03/30/2022 6:32:05 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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[How? their corruption was/is sanctioned and supported by their government….think 10 percent to the big guy, Biden crime family.]


When a person hires a hitman to kill someone, the problem isn’t with the target or even primarily with the hitman. It’s with the man who farmed out the hit.


5 posted on 03/30/2022 6:35:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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That which is described here was much like what happened in the cities in Afghanistan when the Taliban approached. The same MO.


6 posted on 03/30/2022 6:43:29 PM PDT by elpadre (And here in NCini)
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The fall of Kherson may be Russia's most prominent success re the suborning of local authorities via sizable bribes.

Putin did the same thing in Chechnya. Bought off traitors to great effect.

7 posted on 03/30/2022 7:00:32 PM PDT by montag813
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It has been conclusively shown via emails, per reports by Bongino and others, that the Ukrainian bioweapons labs were linked to Hunter, that he was getting paid by Ukraine concerning them, and no doubt Biden got a cut of that.

Thus, based upon this, and for many other reasons, we need to not support Ukraine or Russia.


8 posted on 03/30/2022 7:31:21 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Zhang Fei

Simple fact is USA should stay out of foreign wars.
We are already up to our eye-balls in debt.
Let Europe handle wars in Europe with their money.

https://usdebtclock.org


9 posted on 03/30/2022 7:41:45 PM PDT by entropy12 (Blockade of Cuba by USA was OK by neocons, but Russia must tolerate NATO weapons on its border!)
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[Simple fact is USA should stay out of foreign wars.
We are already up to our eye-balls in debt.]


Military spending has very little to do with our debt. Ultimately, we need to cut non-military spending, which eats up 90% of the government budget.


10 posted on 03/30/2022 7:48:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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It does not matter if military spending is 1% or 5% or 10%
When you are broke, 0.0% is the only number which will save you may be. Every bullet we send to Ukraine is more dollars added to the national debt. It is insanity.


11 posted on 03/30/2022 8:01:22 PM PDT by entropy12 (Blockade of Cuba by USA was OK by neocons, but Russia must tolerate NATO weapons on its border!)
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To: Zhang Fei

Must be great to have all that cash when you’re dead on the front line.


12 posted on 03/30/2022 8:30:43 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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[It does not matter if military spending is 1% or 5% or 10%
When you are broke, 0.0% is the only number which will save you may be. Every bullet we send to Ukraine is more dollars added to the national debt. It is insanity.]


I’d rather cut civilian spending than military spending. Defense is the only traditional function of government. Spending to keep Ukraine out of Russia’s clutches makes a ton of sense, in much the same reason it would have made sense to back Czechoslovakia with money and equipment before Hitler acquired its resources and manpower for Germany’s push to annex the rest of Europe. And Czechoslovakia was just 1/5 the size of Germany in population terms. Whereas Ukraine’s population is 1/3 the size of Russia.


13 posted on 03/30/2022 9:07:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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[Must be great to have all that cash when you’re dead on the front line.]


If Judas had taken 30 silver pieces and fought to the death to prevent the capture of the man he was paid to betray, he’d be a hero instead of a zero. So there’s that.


14 posted on 03/30/2022 9:17:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: JerseyDvl

You die, but your family and descendants are rich.
Unless one is an exceptionally selfish bastard, or you are incapable of making a family, that is a good trade.


15 posted on 03/30/2022 11:40:18 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: delta7


16 posted on 03/31/2022 2:35:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you for the historical map. Most here have no Idea “Ukraine “ was never a nation until 1991. They also don’t realize the Donbass provinces declared their independence from Ukraine in 2015, when the Ukies discarded the Minsk agreements they signed, then started shelling them and the real war started. West was silent, no underdog support for provinces crying out for freedom- freedom from the corrupted Ukrainian government…..
Ukraine was used, manipulated and undermined by the west-used as a tool to fight bad Vlad.
Don’t get sucked in.


17 posted on 03/31/2022 11:56:56 AM PDT by delta7
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I agree 100% we should cut civilian spending.

That is not my point. Again we are more broke than ever.
Our national debt is higher than our GDP for the first time since WWII. We just don’t have the money to help any foreign country’s defenses while our own border is now defenseless.
Every bullet we send to Ukraine is more national debt.

I was in Singapore just a few years back. I was shocked to hear Singapore has ZERO welfare for able bodied people in working age. Not only their unemployment rate always hovers near zero, every 6th Singapore citizen is a millionaire. Singapore has more millionaires based on population size than any other country in the world, including USA, Switzerland, UAE, etc. Singapore used the money saved on welfare and food stamps (all are zero) on infra-structure and higher education to its citizens. When I flew from Singapore airport to San Francisco airport, I got the feeling I was entering a third world country. The cruise terminal in Singapore is the best I have seen, and I have done 41 cruises all over the world.


18 posted on 03/31/2022 12:00:29 PM PDT by entropy12 (Blockade of Cuba by USA was OK by neocons, but Russia must tolerate NATO weapons on its border!)
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You and I are among the few who apparently were not born last year, history-wise.


19 posted on 03/31/2022 1:05:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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“Ukraine was used, manipulated and undermined by the west-used as a tool to fight bad Vlad.”

To the dems, they used Ukraine as a money laundering tool. Even the DOJ has articles on the subject.


20 posted on 03/31/2022 1:38:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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