Posted on 03/29/2022 9:02:35 AM PDT by marshmallow
The delegations of Russia and Ukraine met in Istanbul earlier today for a new round of negotiations to end the special military operation that Moscow launched on 24 February.
Russian delegation received a "clearly articulated position" from Ukraine during the negotiations in Istanbul, Turkey on 29 March, chief Russian Negotiator Vladimir Medinsky has stated. He added that today's negotiations were "constructive" in their nature. He noted that Kiev's written proposals signalled Ukraine's readiness for compromise.
"We have received written proposals from Ukraine confirming their readiness for a neutral, non-aligned and non-nuclear status, along with a refusal to produce and deploy all types of weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and bacteriological ones, and a ban on the presence of foreign military bases and foreign troops on the territory of the country", Medinsky said.
The head of the Russian delegation also revealed other proposals discussed with the Ukrainian delegation:
* Russia will not object to Ukraine joining the European Union
* Ukraine will reject the idea of returning Crimea and Donbass using military means
* Ukraine presented a list of guarantor-states that will ensure its security
* The Ukrainian proposal on international guarantees for its safety does not include the territories of Donbass and Crimea.
* Kiev will not allow foreign troops or foreign military bases to be deployed on its territory without the explicit consent from all guarantor-states. The same goes for holding military drills.
The Ukrainian delegation proposed making the permanent members of the UN Security Council, as well as Germany, Canada, Poland, Israel, and Turkey the guarantor states that would ensure Ukraine's security.
Medinsky elaborated that the position of Kiev will be reviewed by Moscow and presented to President Vladimir Putin. After that, the Kremlin will give its response on whether it agrees to include Kiev's propositions in......
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80 percent support Putin. The Russian Federation (congress
unanimously approved going into Ukraine.
“It’s like someone sneaking up behind you and clubbing you across your head, and then trying to make nice, and promising not to hit you again. Riiiight.”
I agree.
But Russia will be a guarantor or there will be no peace deal.
NO. Wrong. The Ukrainians did not support Russia invasion in territories claimed by Russia or Crimean . They conducted an illegal referendum, under gunpoint, to prove that people wanted that region to join Russia. Even if the results of the referendum were true, the referendum itself was illegal.
“YOU ARE EXACTLY CORRECT. The corruption of Russia is with Putin! The people of Russia are manipulated, controlled and slaves of Putin”
You could say the same thing about Joes Biden and the U.S. Picking a side in this war is like choosing between Iran and Iraq. They can ALL GO TO HELL!
Agree. Russia must not be guarantor.
We must face the EVIL: Putin. Russian government wants to control Ukraine & put back puppet gov’t.
If you are familiar with what transpired in Chechnya, draw the parallels to Ukraine.
He wants to treat Ukraine like he treated Chechnya with two Russian brigades permanently stationed there. Also, nearly half a million people or 40% of Chechnya’s prewar population had been internally displaced and lived in refugee camps or overcrowded villages. This will probably happen to Ukraine with the smashing of infrastructure causing a similar economic downturn for the nation.
Putin is an egomaniac mad-man & re-establish control of the former U.S.S.R dominated nations
What everybody knows is:
This is Putin’s attempt to retake the area when nations left during the closure of the Soviet Block Russia in 1991.
Putin wants the mines! The mineral wealth of the area remains the same strategic prize that Adolf Hitler recognized during WWII.
1-Particularly Donbas, leads Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores, ranking seventh in the world overall. It ranks second in titanium ore reserves in Europe, second worldwide in explored reserves of manganese ores, and second in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves.
[Natural uranium and low-enriched uranium can be used as fuel for power generation nuclear reactors, research reactors, military plutonium production, and naval propulsion reactors. Highly enriched uranium can power naval propulsion, military plutonium and tritium production reactors, and act as feedstock for nuclear weapons production.]
2-Titanium alloys are some of the most common metals used in military applications for everything from aircraft parts to missile housings, armor plating, naval ship and spacecraft construction. Many more civil applications contribute to demand as well.
3-Manganese ores are vital to steel production, corrosion-resistant aluminum and copper alloys, battery cathodes, and nutritional supplements. Mercury ores are valuable in applications including munition fuzes, missile and space guidance system gyroscopes, infrared detection and lighting.
PUTIN ASSUMING FULL CONTROL OF THESE ASSETS is an obvious shortcut to exploit Ukraine infrastructure in the Donets Coal Basin won’t be the work of a moment for Russia. But assuming full control of these assets is an obvious start.
4. Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas critical for lasers used in chip-making and supplies more than 90% of U.S. semiconductor-grade neon, according to estimates from research firm Techcet.
PLUS, He wants to keep Crimea.
Transparency International ranks Russia as one of the world’s most corrupt countries, putting it 130th of 176, with a particular problem in its defense sector.
Ukraine was already in a bad way economically because of Putin’s puppet. The Maidan revolution [2014 protests] that ousted pro-Russian leader created the fall and impeachment of the regime of President Viktor Yanukovych that caused him to ran away to Moscow in the middle of the night.
Russia TV news is straight up Goebbels style propaganda. Putin is old KGB & will eliminate by assassination anyone, anywhere for his convenience.
Putin uses social media sourced agents just like the tactics of USSR: KGB utilized to disrupt opposition
“But Russia will be a guarantor or there will be no peace deal.”
Guarantors are supposed to be uninterested parties, and neutral. An involved party has a clear conflict being a guarantor. But, it’s typical of the duplicity of a Russian “agreement.”
The only ones who would profit from a reparations system are the global elitists..
Putins accomplished his military objectives - he did say when those have been accomplished he’d withdraw and negotiations would be continued and settled.
Many said, and I agreed, that Putin never intended to do more than surround and contain Keiv. Destroying only in battle areas and targets predetermined.
So now we’re seeing things begin to draw down - and what Ukraine’s land boundaries will be when it’s done is yet to be seen.
Totally agree.
What are the intentions of Puyin?
Plan of Action for the establishment of Putin control system over the economic and political processes in Ukraine
BANKING SYSTEM
1. Establishing control over the National Bank of Ukraine and suspending operations on money withdrawal, imposition of currency control.
2. Establishing external monitoring over commercial banks to prevent asset embezzlement and transfer of depositors’ funds abroad.
3. Safeguarding banks’ storage facilities in order to prevent looting cases.
4. Connecting banks to the Russian inter-bank data exchange, payments and settlements.
5. Introduction of 100 per cent repatriation and compulsory sale of foreign exchange earnings of exporters to the National Bank.
6. Termination of currency exchange operations (excluding payments for received import), freezing of all foreign currency deposits.
7. Introduction of bank holidays in order to prevent withdrawal of assets.
8. Introduction of a moratorium on: servicing and repayment of foreign loans, transfer of profits from enterprises and property income abroad, export of capital.
9. Introduction of external management in banks that stop servicing the population and issuing deposits.
10. Introduction of temporary moratorium on currency exchange operations, except for the current trading operations of legal entities.
TRANSPORT
1. Renewal of railway communication between Ukrainian cities and Russia.
2. Establishing control over air navigation and organize a Russian-Ukrainian airline for regular air traffic.
3. Port nationalization.
4. Ensuring smooth operation of railway transport.
ENERGY
1. Establish control over nuclear power plants, restore normal operation on Russian fuel elements.
2. Nationalization of electric grids and strategic electricity generation facilities: hydroelectric power stations, large thermal power stations.
3. Establishing control over the natural gas transmission system of Ukraine.
TRADE, LOGISTICS, INDUSTRIAL AGRICULTURE
1. Safeguarding large trading hubs / shopping centers, food bases, grain storages; nationalization of the latter.
2. Introduction of a temporary card system for the distribution of basic food supplies among the population in need, with the establishment of pools of interested producers.
3. Ensuring oil and fuel, fertilizers, seeds for the planting season.
4. Temporary freezing of prices on basic agricultural goods and food commodities.
SOCIAL SPHERE
1. Freezing tariffs on housing and communal services.
2. Ensuring the normal functioning of public transport.
3. Denazification of the education system:
– the removal and destruction of all educational literature distorting history, promoting Nazism and Russophobia;
– restoration of compulsory Russian language and literature classes in schools;
– organization of training courses for secondary-school and high-school teachers in humanitarian disciplines (those who refuse to do so are to be discharged);
– significant increase of the quotas for admission of Ukrainian applicants to Russian universities.
4. Granting the Russian language the status of the state language, along with Ukrainian.
5. Ensure the normal functioning of hospitals and polyclinics with the preservation of free medical care with guaranteed coverage of the deficit of funds at the expense of the state budget.
FOREIGN TRADE
1. Promoting Ukraine’s membership in the Eurasian Economic Union:
– carrying out economic impact calculations;
– legal analysis;
– justification of Ukraine’s withdrawal from its Association with the EU (economic and legal findings on non-legitimacy);
– development of a road map for accession.
2. Lifting of mutual economic sanctions.
3. Re-establishment of free trade.
4. Resumption of co-operative relations.
5. Imposing a ban on the export of grain and other critical goods to ensure food security.
FISCAL SPHERE
1. Inclusion of a limited emission financing regime for the state budget deficit.
2. Revision of the state budget for 2022 with zeroing of expenditures on defense, state security, functioning of the Constitutional Court, Verkhovna Rada, functioning of the Foreign Ministry and diplomatic representations of Ukraine abroad.
3. Monitoring tax payments of structure-forming / important enterprises, excises and VAT; temporary exemption from taxation of enterprises which were destroyed or suspended their activities due to military actions.
POLITICAL AND LEGAL SUPPORT
1. Dissolution of the Verkhovna Rada, the Government, the Constitutional Court and possibly the Supreme Court as illegitimate bodies after the usurpation of power through an anti-constitutional coup d’état in 2014
2. Recognition of all legislative acts adopted after the coup d’état in 2014 invalid if they contradict the Constitution and the laws of Ukraine, which had been in force until February 21, 2014
3. Maintaining the legitimacy of local self-government bodies elected directly by the population. Transfer powers of regional state administrations to local self-government bodies, with the dissolution and liquidation of the former.
4. Delegation (by local self-government bodies) of people’s representatives to participate in the Constitutional Assembly to draft the new Constitution of Ukraine, with a national referendum afterwards.
5. Option. Hold referendums (organized by local self-government bodies) on the secession of respective regions from Ukraine. The creation of Federations of such areas with the participation of the LDPR.
PROPERTY RELATIONS
1. Seizure of assets of the persons accused and suspected of crimes.
2. Freezing of assets owned by U.S. and NATO residents, as well as offshore zones.
3. External supervision over structure-forming and strategically important enterprises, with the aim of controlling asset preservation and ensuring good management.
4. Introduction of external management on enterprises owned by persons whose assets have been seized or frozen or which have been left without director generals.
5. Introduction of external management on military industrial complex, nuclear power and industry, as well as metallurgical, chemical and other industries which pose a threat to the environment and the population.
TRANSITIONAL ADMINISTRATION
Prior to the constitutional reform, the elections to the Verkhovna Rada and the formation of a legitimate government, provisional authorities should be established. It is proposed to retain local self-government bodies and district courts on the basis of existing ones. Transitional public authorities should be formed in the order as follows:
1. Within a week, hold an election to the local self-government bodies of the liberated towns / cities (the former national authorities that were formed after the 2014 coup are to be found non-legitimate) and elect representatives to the People’s Assembly, that will convene to form new national executive bodies and draft the new Constitution.
2. Form the People’s Self-Government Committee at the first meeting of the People’s Assembly, which will be entrusted to perform the functions of the Ukrainian government until the election of the Verkhovna Rada takes place.
3. The People’s Self-Government Committee (KNS) is to appoint the ministers (except for the ministers of security forces and the foreign minister, who are to be eliminated), heads of departments, the National Bank of Ukraine, directors of structure-forming, strategically significant and environmentally hazardous enterprises (that will have external management).
4.The KNS appoints the acting heads of regional administrations, whose functions will be limited to ensuring law and order as well as the operation of regional life support systems, fiscal and other republican bodies.
5. Police units and the support systems of towns / cities will be transferred to local self-government bodies.
6. In Donetsk and Odessa, people’s tribunals – that will review the committed crimes against humanity, war crimes, political repressions, acts of genocide on the territory of LDPR and Ukraine, respectively – will be launched. The members of the tribunals shall be appointed via a general public assembly; charges shall be passed on to courts located in the areas where the crimes had been committed.
7. The People’s Assembly will impose a moratorium – for any leadership positions and participation in elections – on persons who participated in the 2014 coup and then worked for state authorities and law enforcement agencies, as well as those who are accused or suspected of committing crimes.
8. The martial law, introduced by Zelensky, will be maintained until the election of a new Verkhovna Rada. Representatives of the Russian armed forces, stationed in the respective localities, are to monitor the observance of martial law.
9. At the request of the population of Ukraine’s liberated regions, referendums will be held on secession and the creation of sovereign people’s republics.
In the future, they can unite to form new state entities (Novorossiya, Malorossiya, Slobozhanshchina …) or rejoin Russia (the reserve option).
I agree - Ukraine will have tremendous difficulty meeting the conditions required for EU membership. ..and the reasons are multitude. They also have serious human rights issues. You can’t be tying people to polls, painting their faces, stripping and pouring water on minorities, let alone raping and torturing - done before this war.
Is that you, Mr Biden?
I hope it’s almost over.
I don’t want to see any more maternity hospitals bombed, or children in theaters being slaughtered.
Well if Ukraine wasn’t hiding armament and military equipment and vehicles in those buildings that likely wouldn’t have happened. Even the Mall had lins of military vehicles in it’s shipping and underground garage area. here’ are phots showing that on line.
As for the threater - investigations will prove who was holding the people hostages there.
“Guarantors are supposed to be uninterested parties, and neutral. “
That’s not what Ukraine is asking for.
They ask for military commitment to turn back any invader.
The ONLY supposed “uninterested party” stupid enough to sign up for that is the US and/or Russia. And they want it codified in treaties.
NO WAY the US ratifies such a treaty.
They will most certainly NOT get what they are asking for.
“We must face the EVIL”
Moralizing in international relations is for children.
The “Kiev Junta” can join the EU? Wow. Shocking climb down for Putinist Russia here.
You asked”...what about the Ukrainian war crimes?”
How many Russian towns/cities are ruined and how many millions of Russian citizens are displaced from their homes as a result of Russian peace-building efforts?
You said Poland, Germany, and Russia should be the guarantors. Well, right off the bat Russia should be disqualified from that role. If there are to be guarantors, not only should they be neutral, but they have to be able to wield a big stick. That would mean the US, UK, and/or France from the West, and India and/or China from the East. China is as untrustworthy as Russia, and the US under the Democrats is unreliable.
Morals are for children to learn from adults.
Ukraine asked for the UN Security Council PLUS.
I don’t think they’ll even get the UNSC.
But they might.
As for US reliability, I suspect it’s because we have no interests there.
NO POTUS, past or present would go to war with Russia over Ukraine.
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