Posted on 03/29/2022 7:36:08 AM PDT by shadowlands1960
Russia has agreed to “fundamentally cut back” military activity around Kyiv and Chernihiv in order to “increase mutual trust” in a step towards a peace deal with Ukraine.
Russia’s deputy defence minister Alexander Fomin says Russia will "radically reduce" military activity outside the two cities, reports have claimed.
Mr Fomin said Moscow has decided to “fundamentally cut back military activity in the direction of Kyiv and Chernihiv” in order to “increase mutual trust for future negotiations to agree and sign a peace deal with Ukraine”, according to Russian news agency Tass.
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What are you smoking?
Nato is united as it has not been for 30 years.
Germany doubled its defense spending.
Most of the stupid Green initiative to weaken Europe and NATO is dead.
Sweden and Finland are seriously considering joining NATO for defense against Russia.
In short, NATO has been given a new reason to exist.
And what reasoning do you base that on?
The fiction that Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to “de-Nazify” Ukraine and its government, and stop Ukraine from joining NATO, and all the other bullshit the pro-Russian water-carriers trotted out ad nauseum, has finally been laid bare. The invasion was about the control and monopoly of energy resources, and always was. Russia wants to control the gas and oil assets east of the Bug River. And Ukraine’s oil and gas resources are east of the Dneiper, in Crimea and the Donbas. Russia also wants to tap into and develop the natural gas deposits in the Black Sea, and he needs to eliminate Ukraine as a rival for those resources.
From the Energy Resource Guide:
“Ukraine has tremendous natural resources for meeting domestic oil and gas production needs, with estimates of approximately 900 billion cubic meters of proven reserves of natural gas. In Europe, Ukraine ranks second for gas reserves. Three Ukrainian regions contain hydrocarbons resources: the Dnipro-Donetsk basin, the Carpathian region in western Ukraine, and the Black Sea and Crimea region in the south. The Dnipro-Donetsk basin is a major oil and gas producing region accounting for 90 percent of all current Ukrainian production.”
3 to 4 weeks ago MSM news outlets were saying Russia was running out of gas and anmo, that was false, they barraged the airwaves with one debunked story after another (literally dozens) of which the Ghost of Kiev was one, we continually heard more stories they weren’t taking numerous cities out east and it turned out they were, and they occupied the breakaway areas completely it appears. I wonder now if this was their goal all along.
“Why take a city you don’t need? Kiev has been reduced to a financial and logistical drain on Ukraine and the EU.”
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True, with Zelinsky now saying they’ll give up any NATO hopes there would be no sense for Russia waste any time and personnel when your goal is met. Putin’s got his own cities to tend to the way it is, without becoming the Uke’s landlord.
“we continually heard more stories they weren’t taking numerous cities out east and it turned out they were, and they occupied the breakaway areas completely it appears. I wonder now if this was their goal all along.”
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Two-fold goal - preventing another NATO/US base on Russia’s border and, two, protecting Russian interests in the breakaways. Anything else is gravy.
There are pro-Zelensky/Soros/WEF people here (Zel/Soros/WEF are all tied at the hip).
I suspect there are a few pro-Putin people here at FR. There are also those here even on this thread who are Biden-supportimg libtards using Rachel Maddow shotgun approach tactics of branding anyone as being pro-Putin for pointing out Burisma, pointing out Zelensky having to know about the bioweapons labs in Ukraine (which Bongino and others have reported on) and Zelensky doing nothing about it.
They also use her tactics when people point out Zelensky’s ties to Soros and the WEF and don’t like the Romney and Bolton types coming out of the woodwork on TV agitating for more and more involvement in Ukraine.
Again, I think we should support neither Putin nor Zelensky, not support the liberalism of Soros, not support the globalism of the WEF, realize that Putin obviously cannot roll across Europe, realize that NATO is more than capable of stopping him in NATO countries, not get drug into this to bail out Biden and allow him and the media to deflect from his failures domestically, deal with our own borders, and realize we are 30 plus trillion in debt and broke with world policeman days being over.
When a country, in effect, surrenders on your terms (neutrality - i.e. no NATO/US) you don’t need to demilitarize it. It “self-cancelled”.
Ukraine’s problem of having a Nazi military is best handled by the Ukes, it’s their big problem after all and they can follow instructions as well as any other country.
When the war first started I believed Putin might try to divide Ukraine at the Dnieper river, which would seem to be a good natural boundary, like the Rhine serves for France and Germany.
***Same here. If he shows no further aggression into Kiev but holds the line between the river and Russia he gets what he wanted.
Yes. All of these current Russian causalties only amount to one bad day at Stalingrad.
LOL!
Ukraine hasnt surrendered...and they are going to keep their military...
Orwellian redefinition of terms...
The Biden administration will not allow peace.
“Ukraine hasnt surrendered”
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When you are forced to give your enemy what they want (neutrality, no NATO future) to make them stop, you can call it whatever makes you feel the best, but it’s surrender by any other name.
The Russians have to withdraw now from the salient west of Kyiv or face a serious possibility of losing their entire forces here to encirclement.
On the map, the road from Ivankiv to Demydiv is where the stalled convoy was. Through Ivankiv is the only way out for the Russians now.
At Ivankiv is a bridge over the Teteriv river which is crucial to Russian forces' escape.
Russia tried in the last few days to attack Ukrainian forces at Teterivske and open another escape route but failed.
You apologizing to the people you’ve called “Putin lover” and various other childish insults just for questioning the veracity of the numerous hyperbolic articles or believing that Zelensky might not be a pure-of-heart, saintly counselor would be a good step towards that.
Most of us don’t expect that, though. And most of us aren’t “lovers” of either Zelensky or Putin.
Last week the Russian Defense Minister gave a very detailed explanation this was happening. He showed boxes around the major cities outside the South and East and said these boxes were to pen in the troops as they take over the Donbas and South. They never were going street by street in Kiev etc
Unfortunately many were reading the Daily Mail et al. The word on the Russian side since mid-March has been by the end of April they will have what they need in the East and expect these troops around cities to be directed there.
That is because the Russians already knew they were going to retreat back to Belarus and were downplaying their activity around Kyiv.
The march on Kyiv and talk of encirclement was much month prominent if you look at Putinist maps from a couple weeks or more ago. But do feel free to continue gaslighting on the subject if you wish.
As planned all along.
The ignorance on this thread is still astonishing. Armchair generals ignorant of the last 15 uears.
Ah yes. The encirclement of Kyiv goes straight down the memory hole. Russia and their useful idiots air brushing history? Who would’ve thunk it??
No it isnt.
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