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To: ChicagoConservative27

That doesn’t make any sense.


2 posted on 03/24/2022 4:28:05 PM PDT by jimfree (My 19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than Joe Biden.)
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To: jimfree

It makes a limited amount of sense if you accept that Putin was triggered by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO and Trump downplaying that aspiration (which seems like wisdom in the current context). As for Putin having “everything he wanted with Trump,” that seems like an overstatement. After a visit to China in 2018, when Chairman Xi had increased his range of powers, Putin started planning the same outcome for himself and then demoted Prime Minister Medvedev to second in command of his Security Council, eliminating the post and consolidating all power in his own hands. Trump had nothing to do with that. Also Trump probably played little if any role in Russian business success or failure. He was opposed to at least one big project of Putin’s. So I only accept this analysis in the limited sense of NATO membership. Trump would have no influence on EU membership for Ukraine.


16 posted on 03/24/2022 4:32:38 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell ("This is no training exercise, commander." "Well yes it is, we are training you to die.")
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To: jimfree

This woman is gaslighting. She knows the truth of the matter but must lie for the cause. Trump bitch slapped Putin since the day he took office. Its irrefutable


19 posted on 03/24/2022 4:33:16 PM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: jimfree

She’s making it sound like Trump was weak or apathetic regards Ukraine/Russia and allowed Putin to do what he wanted.

Who knows what is real and especially what people were thinking.

Actions tell us that Trump sent lethal aid to Ukraine, and had SF operating there. Just remember, Democrat caused wars are good wars where we drop democracy bombs and launch freedom missiles. Any Republican war is “no blood for oil.”

He did however respect boundaries, which Biden crossed when he ignored what had been a long established standard, that Ukraine shall not join NATO.

I suppose if Biden wants to take credit for causing a war, that would be an accurate assessment.


24 posted on 03/24/2022 4:35:37 PM PDT by Red6
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To: jimfree

Trump was offering stability in Ukraine. Trump was impeached for turning over the rocks of the illegitimate thugs now in the White House and their Ukrainian stooges. Trump was trying to implement America First and was striving for an independent Ukraine. Biden has used his sanctions stick to beat hell out of the American consumer. Trump would have used a tsunami of Bakken oil and Pennsylvania gas to destroy Putin and the Russian economy had Putin actually started this process. Trump would have kept the peace. It was a catastrophe for the whole world when Trump was jobbed out of the presidency.


29 posted on 03/24/2022 4:42:20 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: jimfree

Trump was gonna break Joe and the deep state piggybank.

She wouldn’t stand for it...her Lt Col Vindman.

Putin gave Joe a number of months to correct the issues in Ukraine and when he didn’t....game over.


35 posted on 03/24/2022 4:49:19 PM PDT by blackberry1
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