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We Poked The Bear
The American Conservative ^ | 3/17/22 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 03/23/2022 5:45:17 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: apillar
"Gorbachev requested that the former Warsaw Pact states be neutral, basically Russia would make no attempt to pull them back into any future pact as long as NATO agreed to make no attempt to pull them into NATO."

Basically nobody disputes such a promise was made at the time.

White man speak with forked tongue...

41 posted on 03/23/2022 7:24:59 AM PDT by unread (Everything you ever thought was right, fair and just is completely wrong..... I think..(?))
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To: Prolixus
Why would any of us be on the same side as the NYT? Why would any of us be on the same side as China and Iran? Because that's right where you guys are. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. Guess you must not consider China and Iran to be enemies.
42 posted on 03/23/2022 7:33:12 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: JonPreston
they offered numerous assurances to Soviet and Russian officials that NATO would not march ever eastward to Russia’s borders.
***I have been asking, without any FReeper answering: WHERE? WHEN? Is it in WRITING and SIGNED like the Budapest Agreement? Nope. But below I get our answer...

For instance, reported George Washington University when it released a trove of declassified U.S. documents: “Secretary of State James Baker’s famous ‘not one inch eastward’ assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.”

43 posted on 03/23/2022 7:41:46 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: FreshPrince

I’m sure Russia’s loss of power as the USSR dissolved fueled resentment and anger that Putin exploits. But like Hitler, he is exploiting anger to expand HIS power and his goal of a new USSR. Meanwhile, invading Ukraine didn’t happen because of NATO - but it DOES justify NATO expansion. Why? Because no small country is safe from Putin & Russia’s desire for power. They NEED allies to prevent being overrun.


44 posted on 03/23/2022 7:45:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: crusher

“NATO is a wholely owned subsidiary of the US State Dept/Pentagon”

Like when we wanted to deploy cruise missiles and many NATO countries refused? Like when we BEG countries to increase their defense spending AND THEY REFUSE?


45 posted on 03/23/2022 7:49:35 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Prolixus

It is quite amazing to see just how plastic the minds of the population at large are on issues like this.

no one here believes the NYT or major media on big issues. but many have very quickly taken the media’s presentation of the ukraine business as fact. you have a decent % of this country essentially ready to start world war 3 over a former SSR they very likely would not have wanted any part of a few months ago.

whatever agency/entity runs the propaganda coordination has created a monster.

I am concerned this war will be provided cause to expand (by whomever). the rhetoric coming out of washington, the mass priming of the population to ‘cancel’ russia, and the economic sanctions, including freezing foreign reserves (stealing their money, basically) can only go in one direction.

I will be shocked if this stays contained and we have a normal election in november in which the democrats take the drubbing they almost have to take given gas and other stuff.


46 posted on 03/23/2022 7:56:09 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The NWO unelected all powerful centralized government and economy is the greatest danger to us.

The NWO is who offshored American manufacturing to China and is encouraging Iran’s nuclear program.

The NWO is who antagonized Putin into a military operation in Ukraine.


47 posted on 03/23/2022 8:00:37 AM PDT by Prolixus (In all seriousness:)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

word-thinking. real life is more complex. i still don’t believe anything the NYT publishes. if they actually publish something objectively true, there is another angle (the laptop story).


48 posted on 03/23/2022 8:01:56 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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There’s nothing CLASSIFIED about a signed Assurance Agreement and relinquished nukes in the Budapest thing. And there’s nothing CLASSIFIED about 2 invasions of his southern neighbor.

Upholding CLASSIFIED interactions as if they were representative of our foreign policy is giving the Deep State FAR, FAR too much power.


49 posted on 03/23/2022 8:06:21 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Prolixus

So if the NWO says “child pornography should be illegal”, you’d be in favor of it?


50 posted on 03/23/2022 8:12:24 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: JonPreston
NEOCONS

FReeper please..... Putin is running The Catherine the Great playbook. Chapter 1: Crimea. etc., etc. He's now gotten to the section on Ukraine.

51 posted on 03/23/2022 8:25:34 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“So if the NWO says “child pornography should be illegal”, you’d be in favor of it?”

That’s a hypothetical we are in no danger of having to ever answer in reality.

NWO is fully invested in child porn. Even if some tentacle of NWO goes public in opposition to child porn, the main of NWO will be happily creating and distributing child porn. Hollyweird is an important arm of NWO.


52 posted on 03/23/2022 8:33:05 AM PDT by Prolixus (In all seriousness:)
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To: Mr Rogers

Yep! NATO is needed now! Thanks Putin!


53 posted on 03/23/2022 8:52:36 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: JonPreston

bkmk


54 posted on 03/23/2022 9:13:12 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: Prolixus
NWO is fully invested in child porn. Even if some tentacle of NWO goes public in opposition to child porn, the main of NWO will be happily creating and distributing child porn. Hollyweird is an important arm of NWO. But I guess this gets into the whole pizza shop/Q thing, and I have no interest in going down that fetid rabbit hole.
55 posted on 03/23/2022 9:17:43 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Prolixus

That’s a hypothetical we are in no danger of having to ever answer in reality.
***No one ever answers a hypothetical.


56 posted on 03/23/2022 9:22:39 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“But I guess this gets into the whole pizza shop/Q thing, and I have no interest in going down that fetid rabbit hole.”

NWO was mentioned in speech Joe Biden within the last week or so.

NWO and Hollyweird and their destructive effects on our country pre-date Q by decades. Q appears to be the result of the victims of NWO and Hollyweird seeking someone to save their country.


57 posted on 03/23/2022 9:38:35 AM PDT by Prolixus (In all seriousness:)
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To: JonPreston

I’m sure if the Warsaw Pact still existed no one would have a problem with Mexico joining. US politicians are all about wanting countries to belong to their pact of choice.


58 posted on 03/23/2022 9:43:17 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Politicians are to America as oligarchs are to Russia. )
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To: Prolixus
Q appears to be the result of the victims of NWO and Hollyweird seeking someone to save their country.

Or imbibing too many mind-altering substances and reading too many dime store conspiracy novels. Either way.

59 posted on 03/23/2022 9:48:12 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

One way or another, NWO with its open borders and offshoring of manufacturing and Hollyweird with its multiple perversions are not, in any way shape or form, a “conspiracy theory.”


60 posted on 03/23/2022 10:17:15 AM PDT by Prolixus (In all seriousness:)
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