Someone wake up the president.
Posted on 03/22/2022 3:45:13 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
“Russia would use nuclear weapons if it feels threatened,”
Threatened by what or who? By the US, by NATO, by the thought of not being able to conquer a much smaller and weaker country and having your legacy be as ridiculous as Bidens?
As well as large swaths of Europe and the United States.
Don't forget, Russia gets a counter, counter strike.
But honestly, if Putin uses a low-yield tactical nuke in Ukraine, would NATO respond with our own nukes knowing we'd be signing death warrants for millions of Western Europeans and Americans and the obliteration of several cities?
Well, who wouldn’t?
Might be a good idea to blind their sats, sink their SSBNs and first strike against the ICBM force if they act like this.
I’m only kinda kidding. They’re proving themselves unworthy of handing this power.
“it depends on what the definition of “existential” is.”
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Mean different things in different times and place. The US saw missiles in Cuba as an existential threat in 1962 and came pretty close to WW3 because of it.
The Soviet Union thought along the same line re: US missiles in Turkey. Both were taken down, but the US dismantling it’s Turkey missiles was kept secret to save JFK face.
“Russia” would use nukes?
Or “Putin” would use nukes?
“the obliteration of several cities”
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Try “every major city”. Nuclear warfare would tend to be quite thorough. Along with cities - military bases and production facilities, including US/elsewhere “food basket” areas.
Pretty much the definition of “existential threat.”
Existential threat to Russia or existential threat to Putin?
“The US saw missiles in Cuba as an existential threat in 1962 and came pretty close to WW3 because of it.”
You are spot on. I was stationed on a submarine in Key West that was sent out with several others to shoot the Ruskies out of the water if they didn’t stop.
You are 100% correct. They stopped when Khrushchev agreed to pull out in exchange for U.S. missiles in Turkey going away.
What a difference 60 years makes! JFK and his dems were just as crooked as Xiden and his den of thieves — but no one knew.
Don't forget, Russia gets a counter, counter strike.
But honestly, if Putin uses a low-yield tactical nuke in Ukraine, would NATO respond with our own nukes knowing we'd be signing death warrants for millions of Western Europeans and Americans and the obliteration of several cities?
I'm honestly not sure what the world or NATO would do in that case. But from a military perspective, it would incredibly foolish as the winds blow inland toward Russia and Belarus from Ukraine so Putin would end up sending a radioactive dust cloud over large swaths of his own country. Also it would pretty much kill his public reasoning he gave his own people for the war, going in to "liberate" the Ukrainian people. Liberate their souls from their bodies perhaps...
Also I suppose he could use some very small nuke on some military target, away from any major city. But why? He could get the same result with conventional weapons and the international blowback from using any Nuke would make the current sanctions look like a parking ticket, Russia would literally be treated like North Korea, cut off from absolutely everything, markets, banking, trade, everything. Probably even lose their seat on the UN Security Counsel. I doubt even China would resist the pressure to turn against them after that.
Someone wake up the president.
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You probably already know that you were one Soviet officer’s vote away from having to deal with the consequences of one of their nuke-armed torpedoes being launched.
“One Russian Submarine Nearly Caused the Cuban Missile Crisis to Go Nuclear”
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/one-russian-submarine-nearly-caused-cuban-missile-crisis-go-nuclear-87271
Yeah, but did we tell China/USSR during Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1/2, and others like this? It’s really a bully tactic and I hope when/if the US invades a small country that we don’t wave the nuclear-peen around like this Putin jackass does.
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An observation, I worked in Moscow training Ivans for three years ( non DOD- private sector). One thing I noticed in their factories, hangars, etc posters with the mushroom cloud. After talking to some of my trainees, I heard the explanation. They stay prepared for nuke war. Fallout shelters are maintained, I asked why? They said many countries have nukes, but only one country has ever used them- the USA.
Good point.
Russians are not Islamic suicide bombers. They fool no one with this bluffing crap. “We’ll do it. We’ll do it. We’ll double dare do it.”
The little huffing and puffing blowhard does not actually launch nukes all by his lonesome. It is extremely doubtful all the others in Russia that have to be part of any nuclear use would let the demented rabid dog destroy their coubtry.
Actually, that's not "[t]he ONLY way" - you neglected to mention Murphy's Law kicking in, which is a possibility anytime nuclear armed militaries engage in combat.
For example, the Soviet subs operating near the US during the Cuban missile crisis apparently carried a few torpedoes with nuclear warheads - something the US was unaware of. The officers commanding those boats were also pre-authorized to use those torpedoes, in certain specific circumstances - something else of which the US was blissfully ignorant. At one point, the US Navy considered using depth charges to force one or more of those subs to the surface, which would likely have produced a nuclear detonation off the American coast.
And that all came close to happening, without the US or Soviets planning or wanting it to happen. Couldn't happen today, you say? Bull crap - launch authority never resides in just one place, and when hostilities commence, that authority can move down the chain of command, due to the danger of decapitation strikes. Murphy's Law is always there, and accidents do happen. Only a suicidal moron would initiate combat with a nuclear armed adversary, when their vital national interests are not even threatened...
E actly.. 9therwise why have one.
Sorta like Brandon giving Pootie that 16 item “Do Not Hack” list.🤣
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