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Why is the Russian army so dysfunctional? The pervasiveness of organized crime in Russian society, which has penetrated all levels of the military, may be the driving force.
Twitter ^ | 3/12/2022 | Kamil Galeev

Posted on 03/18/2022 9:16:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Why Russian army is so weak? When Russia invaded, experts thought it'd win in 24-72 hours. Two weeks later the war's still going. How come? On paper Russian superiority's overwhelming Although Russia projects warlike image, its military r weak and don't know how to fight wars

 

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Notwithstanding with its warlike image, boosted by massive PR campaign, Russian military have nearly zero experience of fighting conventional wars against other regular armies. They were quite successful in suppressing civilian riots ofc, in Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, etc

 

Russians were less successful in suppressing guerrilla movements in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Guerillas didn't much heavy weaponry, didn't have proper air defence. And yet, Russians suffered high casualties and lost the First Chechen War, despite overwhelming material superiority

 

Since WWII Russia never fought a conventional war against a regular army. The only exception was Georgia 2008. Russia invaded to support separatist movements in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and defeated tiny Georgian army. That was the closest Russia had to a real war in last 70 y.

 

Individual Russian military specialists fought in Korea, Vietnam, Angola etc. But army as a whole did not. Russian military machine, from recruitment to logistics, hasn't been checked in a war against a large regular army since 1945. That's the first experiment we're having now

 

Since 1945 Russian army fought against enemies neither of which had a regular army of its own. Enemies of Russia had no structure, little training, tiny firepower. To compensate this, Russia heavily invests in propaganda glorifying its military. But what do they really look like?

 

December 2021. Thieves-in-law imposed tribute on a Russian military base, making NCOs & officers to pay them cash. They specifically target veterans of Syria who earned cash there. They harass, threaten, beat them. Leader of the gang was arrested but released in several months

 

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That's not an exception. That's a rule. Russian military is constantly harassed by thieves and forced to pay money. Just four random headlines on how thieves force literally any military including the ones managing the nuclear rockets to pay them tribute. Russian army is a prey

 

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Let's introduce some sociological context. Russian thieves traditionally portray themselves as the counterculture, the rebels. We don't care about the official law (Law of Cops), we follow only the Law of Thieves. We constitute a parallel state much superior to the official one

 

Thieves dominate in prisons. Their propaganda is working so well, that many naive prisoners really view thieves as rebels. But then they start doubting the narrative. They wonder, what if thieves play rebels but in reality are actively collaborating with prison administration?

 

If prisoners refuse to work and try to sabotage the production, thieves will plead, persuade, threaten and then physically force them to resume their work. Thieves may develop very long and complicated argumentation, but with only one imperative - production goals must be met

 

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That's well reflected in culture. Consider, Беспредел - a great movie on how Russian institutional culture (shaped by prison culture) works in reality. A prisoner refuses to work and tells administration. They inform the thieves and that's what happens

And only much later prisoners realise: thieves are not a parallel state. They're just another branch of the same state machine. They're controlled opposition which actively cooperates with authorities, do whatever state commands and never ever cross the line, or they're doomed

 

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Thieves racketeering the military, including Syria veterans, nuke personnel is not an "accident". It's a deliberate government policy to keep professional military low in dominance hierarchy. Russian state purposefully keeps its military in this position. It's all part of a plan

 

If you want, you can dig further into how harassed, how abused and how low in hierarchy the Russian military are. Of course the lowest position ever is taken by conscripts. There are many publications on how conscripts were forced into gay prostitution to earn cash for higher ups

 

Ok, that's all part of a plan. But why would they develop such a plan? Well, higher-ups are afraid of the army. Russian thieves play rebels, being a part of state apparatus. The same way Russia plays a military regime being in fact a state security regime

 

That's Putin celebrating the Day of State Security Worker. Indeed, the domination of State Security "the new nobility" over all other institutions is a particular feature of Putin's regime. Which hadn't been the case in USSR. State security rule is the major innovation of Putin
 

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State security are *not* the military. That's another institution which has very uneasy relations with soldiers. That's understandable. State security will easily suppress any civilian revolt and any guerilla. Thus the only inner force that could overthrow them would be the army

 

You can read a more detailed account of relations between the Russian state and its army here. But for now I wanna stress, they're very concerned about the potential rivalry from the army and took every effort to prevent it. Thus they castrated the army

 

One precaution is to do a cleansing after each military conflict. In peacetime, power of military generals is low. They're bounded by instructions, protocols, guidelines, are overwatched by state security and military prosecutors. But during the war this control nearly disappears

 

The longer the war lasts, the less procedural and more personal military power becomes. Soon nobody cares about procedures. Everything is done by personal oral orders. Troops get used to unquestioning obedience to a general's word. So you have to do a cleaning up after each war

 

State security fears potential rivalry from the army. So they introduced several mechanisms of control. One is to do a cleaning up after each war killing generals who got too influential among the troops. And leaving the less infuential ones. That's a negative selection mechanism

 

Kremlin actively promotes state security to the army positions. A typical monologue of a Russian professional military: 1. [Long patriotic speech] 2. Complaints on how he'll never get promoted, cuz all the positions are given to young state security with no military experience

 

Third layer is extreme, unbelievable antiillectualism among the military officers promoted by the state. If Prussian army was the most intellectual army in Europe, modern Russian is the least. Again, it's not an accident. It's a deliberate policy to minimise this internal threat

 

Let's sum up. Kremlin is not maxing efficiency, it's minimising the threat. Recruit as low IQ officers as possible, give them very narrow training. If some officers are capable and rising quickly, kill them. Appoint as many state security to the army to make it more controllable

 

To minimise the threat from the army, the ruling state security attacks the army mythos. Why would mafia even dare to racketeer military officers? Because they know in case of conflict the state will back the mafia. These guys stand much higher in Russian hierarchy than soldiers

 

This explains all these strange phenomena such as thieves harassing the military bases, soldiers being forced into gay prostitution, etc. I don't think Putin personally ordered that (though he might). But he purposefully destroys the army mythos, to eliminate a rival for power

 

Words cannot describe how low in dominance hierarchy the Russian army is. To get some idea, watch this video from a Russian official TV channel. An officer asks for a minute of silence for "our special operation boys dying there" and see what happens. Army has no respect at all

 

Conclusions about the Russian artillery-centric army are not wrong. But they must be considered in political context. You must be artillery centric, if you have low morale troops. Nobody respects them, they have no self respect either. They can't stand the close range fight

 

If regime trained capable high morale infantry with intelligent officers, it'd constitute a mortal political threat. So it will maintain low morale incapable infantry with the dumbest officers possible and kill brighter ones. Artillery is way to fight *somehow* with these troops

 

Russian regime pretends to be military. But it's not . Its thinking, language, methods are very state security. On Feb 24 Putin started a Special Operation in Ukraine and on Feb 27 congratulated Russian forces there with the annniversary of the "Day of Special Operation Forces"

 

Why Feb 27? What happened that day? On Feb 26, 2015 Putin ordered to establish a new holiday, the Day of Special Operation Forces. The first one will be tomorrow, Feb 27, 2015 - and then every year. Next day, Feb 27, 2015 oppositional leader Nemtsov was killed in view of Kremlin


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; putin; russia; ukraine
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To: Zhang Fei

Interesting, especially since our government is now essentially a crime syndicate as well, and the military is being suborned as a threat to the oligarchy.


61 posted on 03/19/2022 1:27:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The Soviet army last fought in Afghanistan and got its collective butts kicked. The last war they really fought was WWII. They raped their way across Hitler’s Germany, both tearing the countryside down, looting and burning and physically raping any and all females, ages born to 90. The Nazi’s looted and burned Russia first and it was payback, but the raping of young girls under age 12 and even very old women in their 80-90s BS. They fell apart when the old Soviet Union fell apart. Everybody went gangster. The military was very good for a couple of decades and was poorly funded and staffed. Not surprised they have not fared well and have high casualties. If we had had this type of results when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, our country would have hanged our generals and DOD leadership for allowing such to happen. Whatever the Commies casualty list numbers are, dead and wounded, they are way too high for a supposedly top military in the world. Maybe Puke-tin is holding back his best troops for the Gog and Magog invasion of Israel to get their gas and oil shortly.


62 posted on 03/19/2022 1:28:02 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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To: RetiredArmy
The military was very good for a couple of decades . . .

woops. meant to read:

The military was NOT very good for a couple of decades. My bad.

63 posted on 03/19/2022 1:30:07 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Stalin was ruthless.

We had Gen staff who knew our greatest enemy wasn’t actually Hitler, or that Stalin was equally depraved as Hitler.

We would not have played his game.

In RUS, as you know, only the East side of Moscow had a pathway open.

Russia, it’s people, it’s war machine were truly devastated.

In the Great War Memorial in Moscow, they are reluctant to even acknowledge there was a Western front and allies.

However, there is strong dialogue on having nearly lost the “Great Patriotic War”, and in detail.

As well, (and maybe you have), you can see the large memorials of tank stops, almost right down to метро Речной вокзал
Metro Station Rechnoy Vokzal at the top of the green line.

This part seems strange to me, but Roosevelt went so far as sharing the Federal Reserve US 1 Dollar plates so to pay workers building tanks and equipment, and to pay his officers, as he was facing the threat of mass desertion, and contrary to some Western historians, it had happened in multiple cities from East of Moscow, the Urals, and into Siberia.

Many people absolutely hated Stalin.

They really truly were not fighting for Stalin, but rather for their lives.

The real Stalin worship didn’t get going until the late 1950’s, and was largely involved the younger marxist groomed generation post Great War.


64 posted on 03/19/2022 1:58:18 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Krosan

“Everything Kamil Galeev writes is extremely interesting. He seems to know a lot and maybe his specialization of history between 1400-1800 makes this his moment because Russia looks to be stuck in that era.”

Agree!!! I have seen his twitter before but now I must pay more attention to him. I will put him as a twitter favorite (following) so he is in my feed. Twitter is still useful.... I hardly ever comment there.

Kamil works in DC


65 posted on 03/19/2022 2:05:28 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Captain Peter Blood

In this case, you are not only saying certain US Generals were wrong, based on our interaction in 1993 you are saying the Russian and Warsaw derived Generals are wrong. And they knew the hearts and score on the ground at the time.

Not saying it would have been easy, but in my opinion, fight the Germans and Italy hard, defeat Japan, allow and utilize the brutal Eastern socialists smashing each other, but we had no business doing business in favor of Stalin’s regime.

As well, who could carte blanche give a sociopathic marxist genocidal maniac, non-self determiniative control of the nearly all of Eastern Europe? And worse, stipulated on helping us defeat Japan, all the while Stalin insisting on allied troops leaving China (within the context of Lenin having picked Mao (1921/22), to lead a communist revolution across China and East Asia?

Additionally, at the end, we had “The Bomb”, stalin did not.

We had roughly 16,000,000 military personnel by the war’s end: approximately 11,200,000 in the Army, 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.

Far cry from 1939. On 1 July 1939, the strength of the active Army was approximately 174,000—three quarters of whom were scattered throughout the continental United States; the rest stationed overseas.

What an explosion and literal war machine.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2017/06/26/us-involvement-in-wwii-how-the-military-grew/

Russian Academy of Sciences placed the number of actual Russian dead (not casualties), at roughly 26.6 million. 12 million fled to Siberia (often fleeing both Hitler and Stalin).

You are right though, (as with Germany, and largely due to teaching secular humanism, and God didn’t exist), those Russian soldiers were totally out of control, and civilians were horrifically brutalized...


66 posted on 03/19/2022 2:45:39 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a lcamels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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