[delta7]

but the standards of war.
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Ukraine is getting flattened by every standard. No calls for negotiations, just war, war war…by Zelensky and the west. The Ukrainian people are suffering for the fraud of a leader, Zelensky.

Wake up people.

[buwaya]

This is precisely Hitlers argument to Churchill, and such people as Lord Halifax, when he offered peace in 1940.

[yldstrk]

You want them to surrender to violent sobs like the Russkies? How about no.

[Zhang Fei]

[Ukraine is getting flattened by every standard. No calls for negotiations, just war, war war…by Zelensky and the west. The Ukrainian people are suffering for the fraud of a leader, Zelensky.

Wake up people.]

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Ultimately, Ukraine needs to inflict enough of a toll on Russia to persuade its rulers that the cost-benefit ratio doesn’t compute. Written guarantees mean nothing. The Budapest Memorandum, which guaranteed Ukraine’s undivided sovereignty, was torn up by Putin in 2014, when he invaded Crimea and took parts of the Donbass.

Remember when Hitler said, after annexing Czechoslovakia, “This is my last territorial demand in Europe”? That’s about what agreements with Russia are worth.

Russia lost 5,700 men in Chechnya in the first campaign, which lasted just under 21 months. It came back for a second round, in which it lost 7,000 men over 9 months, but prevailed. If Ukraine can inflict 100,000 KIA on Russia over the next 2 years, I suspect the Russian appetite for future invasions will be sated for at least the next few decades.

Pilsudski’s Miracle on the Vistula, which secured Poland’s independence after centuries of Russian rule, killed 60,000 Russians. As a target, 100,000 dead Russians is probably on the conservative side, but the costs of war on native soil are so large that it probably pays to buy a little insurance.

[Bulwyf]

Thanks for some common sense. Zelensky needs to stop sacrificing his people if he cares. Surrender. It’s the only way to stop it.

[iontheball]

Ukraine is getting flattened by every standard. No calls for negotiations, just war, war war…by Zelensky and the west. The Ukrainian people are suffering for the fraud of a leader, Zelensky.
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Zelensky trapped. His master, Soros, won’t let him negotiate a way out.

[Jimmy Valentine]

If Zelensky were a fraud, why didn’t he bail out of there. He could be a PoliSci instructor at UC Berkeley by now.