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Now You're Talking: Trump Offers a Proposal to Destroy the Deep State-"The Deep State must be brought to heel."
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 3-18-22 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/18/2022 7:58:10 AM PDT by SJackson

Virtually all Americans believed, until the inauguration of Donald Trump as president on January 20, 2017, that when someone became president, he could begin to implement his agenda. Certainly Old Joe Biden’s handlers have done so with a vengeance since they took over; but when Trump became president, he immediately began to encounter resistance from entrenched members of the government bureaucracy who refused to do as he ordered. Some worked actively against Trump, while the establishment media assured us that these self-appointed “deep state” saboteurs were the courageous guardians of “our democracy.” At his South Carolina rally Saturday night, Trump continued to tease a 2024 run and made a new promise about how he would break the power of the unelected “deep state.”

“We will pass critical reforms,” Trump said, “making every executive branch employee fireable by the president of the United States. The deep state must and will be brought to heel.”

It’s a commonsensical solution, as Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance pointed out. “Everyone is losing their mind about this, but I’ve been calling for it at every town hall I do. Either the president controls the executive branch or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, we don’t live in a Republic, we live in a civil service driven oligarchy.”

Quite so. And although the “deep state” only came to the attention of most Americans over the last few years, the controversy over the hiring and firing of civil service employees is one of the oldest controversies of the republic. As Rating America’s Presidents explains, Andrew Jackson was elected president in 1828 on promises to end the hegemony of a privileged aristocracy, and, to drain that swamp, he would need his own men in key positions. He removed a large number of civil service employees and replaced them with men of his own faction, which came to be known as the Democracy, or Democratic Party. This came to be known as the spoils system, after the old adage “To the victor belong the spoils.”

The term “spoils system” is today practically synonymous with government corruption, but Jackson began it as a blow against corruption, preventing the establishment of an entrenched bureaucracy that would oppose the president. The Trump administration made it clear that such a bureaucracy, determined to thwart the president at every turn, is a genuine concern; it is time for a reconsideration of the spoils system.

The spoils system essentially died with the assassination of President James A. Garfield in 1881. Garfield believed that the spoils system was an unending source of government corruption and pushed for measures that would end it, only to be shot by a man who publicly proclaimed that he was doing so because he belonged to the faction of the Republican party, the Stalwarts, that supported the spoils system. Garfield’s successor, Chester Arthur, was a Stalwart, but he demonstrated immense personal courage and honor in choosing to carry out the wishes of his slain predecessor rather than implement his own contrary agenda. His decision to do this effectively ended his political career, as he almost certainly knew it would, and yet he stood firm.

Whether his stance was entirely wise in the long run, however, is a separate question. Historians take for granted that civil service reform was good for the country, and there has been no significant indication that it wasn’t until quite recently, when a president was thwarted in numerous endeavors by an army of unelected bureaucrats within the various departments and agencies of the government, who were determined to impede his agenda in every way possible.

The proponents of civil service reform never envisioned a situation in which unelected and unaccountable opponents of a sitting president in the FBI, the Justice Department, and elsewhere would be determined to destroy the president — or at the very least make it impossible for him to carry out his policies — and could not be removed from their jobs because of civil service regulations.

Wouldn’t government work more smoothly, and the executive branch be able to operate more effectively in the way the Founding Fathers envisioned it would, if the president were able to clear out the employees of these agencies who opposed him and replace them with people more in line with his vision?

The spoils system has no defenders today, and has had none for over a century. It should have more. Trump is on the right track.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilservice; deepstate; executivebranch; ses; shadowgovernment; trump
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To: Kevmo

OTOH... thinking about what Obumfk did back in his day... paying all the inner city rats to move out and infest the suburbs, I think we would have the same infestation problems once this came close to fruition!!

what we need is the weapon the aliens had in Tom Cruise’s War of the Worlds... just go thru and vaporize them all!! but thats a stretch...


81 posted on 03/20/2022 5:03:15 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: sit-rep

Well, that vax thing mighta been what does it: Kills off all the bandwagon jumpers, selects for the free thinkers.

But I doubt it.


82 posted on 03/20/2022 5:11:16 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

bttt!!


83 posted on 03/20/2022 5:12:05 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: John Robinson

Hey!! random post of the da... Year!!

Dont know if you remember me, I made a copy of this forum years back. you made the comment once that youre actually surprised my Access DB hasnt crashed! lol... had to shut it down for financial reason...

Anyway, I bi#%^^d and complained at the time trying to get you to set the focus in the comment form on the Comment page!! and still to date, I still get to typing into the form struggling with my 2 finger type speed, only to realize after I type 2 paragraphs nothing is in the box!!!!! because I didnt click into it!! cmon man!! lol... set the focus into that dang comment section!!

/rant


84 posted on 03/20/2022 5:19:28 AM PDT by sit-rep ( )
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To: Lurkinanloomin

If the GOP had cooperated with Trump we would have a finished fence.
***If the GOP had cooperated with REAGAN we would have a finished fence.

I’m seein’ a pattern.


85 posted on 03/20/2022 5:26:49 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

No kidding and yet some are still blind to it..


86 posted on 03/20/2022 5:52:05 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Trump is a pragmatist not a purist. He fights the fights he thinks can be won. From further down the field after the first fights are done he refocuses and fights the next tranche.


87 posted on 03/20/2022 7:03:01 AM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: wildcard_redneck
That would protect the continuity of the government bureaucracy while also putting the fear of God into them.

Just remember this cuts both ways. The GOPe will not be in power forever the the Dems take great pleasure in revenge.

This should be limited to only Senior Executive Service (SES) employees. The Office of the President should not be making day to day personnel decisions at the GS level.

88 posted on 03/20/2022 8:32:08 AM PDT by usurper
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To: usurper

This outfit is one of the major problems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Merit_Systems_Protection_Board

I agreee the President should not be invloved in decisions at the GS level. If you want an example of how that once was. Go read about Lincoln’s first year in office. Office seekers drove him crazy! Garfield’s assassin was by a disppointedd and delusional office seeker - Charles Julius Guiteau,

The civil service needs to be depoliticized. It was formed to strengthen depoliticization. However like all things done during the Carter years in practice it does the opposite.

Two biggest and immediate things that could be done.

1. Legislation to decertify the federal empolyee unions. Yes its roughly on 1/3 of federal employees. However the two largest postal workers & treasury employees (NTEU) are very active politically. NTEU is very radical!

2. Strengthen and actually enforce the Hatch Act! GOP administration do little, Rat administration act like they never heard of it.


89 posted on 03/20/2022 9:00:36 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

They can’t be fired but they can be re-assigned to a desk and a chair with a phone with nothing to do 8 hours a day. That will at least isolate them so they can do anymore mischief.


90 posted on 04/17/2022 12:11:55 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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