Posted on 03/17/2022 3:42:22 PM PDT by vmirog91
The Visiting Team has "Escalate to De-escalate" written in their military doctrine.
Could make for an interesting second quarter.
“Fact is the U.S overstayed in Afghancrapistan because of pipe dreams about turning the brutes into suburban Americans.”
We WON the war, but our political leadership threw it all away. Trump began to draw down and withdraw, which was the right thing to do, as the war was over and we had won and he saw that there was no reason to remain. Then BiteMe comes along and f**ked it all up.
Do we know if it's Russia's goal to take all of Ukraine?
I’ve never been to Uke. Many places, some near there, but not actually Uke.
It’s apparent east Uke is mostly ethnic russian. It’s also apparent the further west you go, the less russian and more Uke it gets, and its nearly all Uke in the west. It’s also apparent that there is no clear demarcation line.
If you assume political allegiance is and should be based solely on ethnicity [like democrats do], any ‘insurgency’ will be rife with double agents.
And what do you do with the Uke residents who are ethnic russian? Do you want them hanged? Gassed? Shot? Cleansed?
C’mon, what’s your pithy, knee-jerk answer? Well geopolitical genius?
You say 7,000 dead russian soldiers?
It was 10,000 reported March 5th. Perhaps 3,000 rose from the dead after the last round of propaganda.
They line up to support whomever the Democrat narrative tells them to support. If they had been told to support Russia, then only a traitor would support Ukraine.
Bkmk
No, it couldn't. It didn't do that to Chechnya, and it certainly couldn't do that to Ukraine. Good God man, where did you learn your history??
For starters, the First Chechen War lasted more than a year and half, from December 1994 to August 1996. Grozny alone held out for nearly a month and a half. The Second Chechen War lasted even longer. So the idea that Chechnya was "flattened in a day" is wildly ignorant. There isn't any other way to say that. That was a horribly brutal and long war.
And second, Chechnya has less than 4% of the population of Ukraine, and is less than 3% the size of Ukraine. If Russia threw everything it had at comparatively tiny Chechnya and couldn't flatten it, then how the hell could it do that to a country more than 30 times as large??
This isn't the Red Army of 1945, with 10 million plus under arms and an entire country producing war munitions. Which even then still took 2 weeks of "flattening" to take Berlin. It is orders of magnitude smaller in terms of troops, numbers of artillery tubes and aircraft, ordnance, etc.. Simply is not going to happen.
That doesn't mean they can't kill a lot of Ukrainians. They can. But the Russian Army doesn't have anywhere near the firepower to obliterated Ukraine if the Ukrainians refuse to capitulate.
Truth. That’s all that is important.
There is no “shilling”. That is your mechanism to avoid thought, objective facts and rational conclusion.
I prefer rationality to partisan cheerleading. You?
Your two points are sound observations. And, you are right: Putin expected Ukraine to throw in the towel if he so much as farted in its general direction.
Stop it. You have no idea. You are not in Uke or Russia. Your TV and internet feeds are propaganda. Gawd you people are gullible.
Every last Lefty blue-check on Twitter is screaming for lynching any Russian they can get their hands on.
Those people are scum of the earth, and what you wrote is correct. Flip their little switch, and they'd be baying for Ukrainian blood.
[It was 10,000 reported March 5th. Perhaps 3,000 rose from the dead after the last round of propaganda. ]
Ukraine’s estimate of Russian dead is 14,000.
That is true. When the Soviets withdrew, Afghanistan reverted to its old self. When The Americans withdrew, Afghanistan reverted to its old self.
You’d think the Russians would learn from their own history. It was their Sagger ATs that decimated Israeli armor in the Yom Kippur war. The Egyptians created the concept of 3 men and a jeep taking out armor in the early days of that war. Of course the IAF made life difficult for those Egyptians and Nixon sent M60s straight from 7th Army depots in Germany to Haifa.
One other possible mistake was that Putin planned on a two week offensive with a winter freeze. Logistics are a bitch, when the spring thaw makes resupply difficult, at best. Now what? He is already talking openly about purging his leadership and getting rid of the traitors. It sounds like Hitler’s whermacht towards the end, when no one had the guts to give honest reports. A wounded bear can wreak a lot of havoc.
I wish FR had an “ignore” button so that I could weed out all the types who yell “propaganda” on every thread. They are tedious and add nothing to the discussion.
NATO bombed Serbia for 3 months straight to keep Clinton’s d*ck out of the news.
What country did Serbia invade to invite that NATO war? I forgot. [ditto Libya, Syria, Iraq...........]
Not a word of what I said in my first post is based on a single piece of news from 2022, or based on anything coming from Ukraine now. Try to find a modern historical example of an army of 150-200k and successfully occupying an industrialized country with the size and population of Ukraine in two weeks. You can't. The Russian use of 12 month conscripts has been acknowledged by Russia itself publicly long before this war. And if you actually have any knowledge of logistics and Russia's own acknowledgements of corruption in the Defense Ministry, you'd know how much of a problem that is.
Now, if you're referring to may second statement refuting your ridiculous claim that Russia flattened Chechnya "in a day" and could do the same to Ukraine, I'd suggest checking your information on the Russia-Chechnya wars. You obviously are completely clueless.
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