And then you put a useless link in there from a Putin Propaganda blog.
You could use the same logic that Russia should be taken over by China since the Mongols took it over in the 14th century.
Oh and...
Posted on 03/16/2022 10:59:45 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
Russian troops have launched an attack on a theatre in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol where as many as 1,200 civilians including women, children and the elderly, were taking refuge.
(Excerpt) Read more at lbc.co.uk ...
> “conservative people here cheering for the brutal commie thug Putin”
said, “too a new Patriot party can be formed”
> So she’s just an Adam Schiff, given what she thinks of conservatives.
How dare you compare me to that sniveling little weasel. I’ve been a conservative like my father before me since I could read.
Apparently being on the side of commies means conservative to you. You Putin Puffers are completely delusional and Orwellian.
“Apparently being on the side of commies means conservative to you.”
Who’s pushing Communism here, and please provide a link.
That source article you linked is a steaming pile of crap, unmoored from reality.
Ukraine has been independent and an internationally recognized state since 1991.
The Russian Federation itself recognized Ukraine as independent and has maintained diplomatic relations with them since that year.
Border disputes do not prevent you from being an independent nation. The US had ongoing series of border disputes with Great Britain over Maine, The Great Lakes, The Louisiana Purchase, The Oregon Country, and Alaska stretching until 1903. We had border disputes with Spain over Florida and New Spain until 1819.
Independent Texas had a border dispute with Mexico for all ten years of it’s existence.
The entire article is willfully ignorant or deceitful garbage.
> “Apparently being on the side of commies means conservative to you.”
> Who’s pushing Communism here, and please provide a link.
You’re a huge fan of Oliver Stone, known far-left looney and slobberer over Putin’s knob.
“You’re a huge fan of Oliver Stone, known far-left looney and slobberer over Putin’s knob.”
Not a fan of Oliver Stone, just this movie (I didn’t waste my time with the other stuff, but people here said this was one was good and explained everything).
Still don’t know who’s pushing Communism, since I don’t have a link.
The threads that escalate instantly say a lot.
Try again yourself, the article you cite itself states that Ukraine is Sovereign and most opposed to strengthening the CIS and that the CIS was trying to be recognized as an INTERNATIONAL organization.
Your link is shite. Ukraine split from the USSR fair and square. Russia has no more of a claim to Ukraine than Mexico does to our Southwest.
Yeah, I thought it was strange to link to an article that says Ukraine became an independent state in 1991 when he was arguing the opposite of that.
Interesting article about the birth of modern Ukraine:
https://adst.org/2014/03/ukraines-push-for-independence/
Freepers on Freerepublic have morphed into some sort of mutant Qanon crossed with Alex Jones then dipped in a steaming bowl of self-righteous Neville Chamberlain.
Mistakes- I’ve made many. Usually daily or weekly!
Meanwhile, I try to keep in mind how impossible it is for us to understand this war. There are the figureheads, Zalensky and Putin. There are parts of Ukraine that seem to prefer being part of Russia, while others decidedly do not. Then there’s the Azov contingent with their agenda, and God only knows what other groups.
Then we have the West, with all of its own priorities and motives- not always in sync. We have strange splits amongst conservatives, the left has their’s too.
I believe Putin has profoundly miscalculated and is starting to grasp the cost- personally, and as the leader of what was a major player on the world stage but 5 weeks ago.
The terrifying thing is that he’s trapped himself and from the sounds of his speech today- does not intend to look for an exit. This is not a game. He’s not bluffing and he’s a ruthless man, driven by a distorted vision he fully believes.
It is indeed interesting that we can look at the same things (or maybe we look at different things?) and see things so differently.
What I see is the same kind of kneejerk ‘believe everything the news says’ nonsense that people did with Covid. That is coming out of the ‘Rah Rah Ukraine’ side. In just the space of this short conflict, we’ve seen lie after lie promulgated in the media. Movie footage passed off as soldiers. Fake dead people. Video game story lines used as inspiring stories. And more.
At best, everything that comes out of there from either side should be taken with a grain of salt. There is so much subterfuge that nobody can know what the truth is. And when nobody knows what the truth is, one has to go with one’s gut.
My gut says the Ukrainian people are in a terrible situation. But the Ukrainian government? They’re a corrupt bunch of scum. Puppets for the elite slime that is usurped power in our country.
The Ukrainian government has the backing of George Soros, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Biden.
Then, you’ve got Russia. Putin is no choir boy. The guy’s a dictator. He’s done awful things. He wins rigged elections.
But you have to realize how this whole thing started. We installed a puppet government in Ukraine in 2014. We paid for that. It was hostile, violent even. Our government was responsible for that. Our politicians have used it as a money laundering piggy bank ever since. Their crackhead kids are getting make work jobs there.
Crimea was Russia’s only year round port. Simply put: Putin needs it. And he’s not going to let some pissant little comedian who plays piano with his schlong stand in the way of what he needs. That’s just how it is. It doesn’t mean you or I have to like Putin. I actually happen to find the man very interesting. I’ve studied him quite extensively and while I find his methods distasteful, I do have respect for his mind and great interest in his ideological journey. For this, people are called all kinds of gay names on here by either paid shills or idiots who are still watching Fox News and thinking they get anything resembling the truth there.
There have also been atrocities committed in Ukraine against the ethnic Russians in certain parts of the country according to many sources. I can’t verify that, because I’m not in the country myself (thankfully), but it does make sense. That’s the thing that makes me lean towards a side: the Russian story makes more sense than the Ukrainian one.
That doesn’t mean the Ukranian people aren’t in a horrible position. Their leaders, however, are hardly blameless in putting them into that position. That’s the best case scenario considering some of the stories I’ve heard.(That I also cannot verify)
It all boils down to the fact that this is a complicated situation. Armchair dupes who think they’ve got a handle on things by watching cable news are ranting about stuff they know literally nothing about and frankly, I find that far more embarrassing for this site than the idea that someone might not be sufficiently derogatory towards Putin.
We know each other from way back, so I figured I’d take the time with you. The rest of these guys can eat a bag of Putins, because I lost my patience with Covidians sometime in 2020 and they’re behaving just like Covidians.
Were they sheltered or kept there?
дети literally translates to children. So yes those two white words clearly say children in Russian.
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