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Ukraine: After the pause
The Pioneer ^ | Tuesday, March 15, 2022 | Gwynne Dyer

Posted on 03/16/2022 3:10:04 AM PDT by Jyotishi

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1 posted on 03/16/2022 3:10:04 AM PDT by Jyotishi
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The Ukrainians are negotiating a withdrawal of both American and Russian imperialists. The conflict will end in a peace settlement if it can be accomplished before the neocon warmongers in DC subvert the process.


2 posted on 03/16/2022 3:16:11 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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“The Ukrainians are negotiating a withdrawal of both American and Russian imperialists.”

The best scenario for Ukraine is to move toward some semblance of neutrality and try to avoid putting itself in the middle of NATO v. Russian pissin contests.

Z is just now realizing that, hence yesterday’s “On second thought, forget about that whole NATO membership thing.”


3 posted on 03/16/2022 3:28:41 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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Get all of the foreign money and the leeches out of Ukraine.

The Ukraine has rich agricultural resources and those features should be emphasized by the resident Ukrainians.

The country is positioned to feed Europe.


4 posted on 03/16/2022 3:33:01 AM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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To: LouieFisk

Ukraine was doing OK vis a vis Russia from the end of the Warsaw Pact until Obama/Soros, Inc. showed up in 2010. If the Ukrainians can cleanse themselves of the American DS corruption, the Russians would be thrilled to get out of this quagmire.


5 posted on 03/16/2022 3:37:34 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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“The task for NATO now is to protect Ukraine, the country it kept out, while avoiding a nuclear war.“

Better pack a lunch.


6 posted on 03/16/2022 3:38:05 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Who saves the nation breaks no law)
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The Russians have more tanks, artillery, and airpower. So what, it won’t help in an urban environment.

Moscow has overtaken open fields and are being ambushed from the woods and towns.


7 posted on 03/16/2022 3:43:03 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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In any case, we are where we are, and the task for NATO now is to protect Ukraine,

Ukraine is loking for some foreign mercenaries. Here's your chance.

8 posted on 03/16/2022 3:45:09 AM PDT by McGruff (It's America First, stupid.)
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9 posted on 03/16/2022 3:51:23 AM PDT by McGruff (It's America First, stupid.)
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“foreign mercenaries. Here’s your chance.”

Is there free beer?


10 posted on 03/16/2022 3:58:14 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: hardspunned

Both the Ukraine and Russian people have known really hard times over long periods, but the Russians are better equipped to make it through.

A settlement which involves friendly relations - trade/business/economic deals (although Ukraine would be under the Russ “sphere” in reality) - would benefit both and save face on both sides.


11 posted on 03/16/2022 4:14:14 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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“If the Ukrainians can cleanse themselves of the American DS corruption...”

The Clinton/Obama/Biden axis of evil is everywhere. The regime’s tentacles go far beyond Ukraine. The center of ALL evil in the world is right here in America, CIA, FBI, DHS are rotten to the core.

Nothing will improve ANYWHERE in the world until the Chinese puppet regime is utterly destroyed, root and branch.


12 posted on 03/16/2022 4:14:24 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Fauci is a murderer)
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The author Dyer seems to follow the hard lines of warfare filled in with the soft lines of politics. It’s very Stoic to say stuff like “the slaughter of civilians will commence”.

All of this was avoidable.


13 posted on 03/16/2022 4:20:58 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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Bttt


14 posted on 03/16/2022 4:21:48 AM PDT by Guenevere (When the foundations are being destroyed what can the righteous do t)
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You reply has opened a new way of looking at the geopolitical balance of power. For the last 75 years it has been the Free World vs. the communist (monolithic or not) Comintern. The “Free World” no longer exists. Is it now an unholy alliance of Obama/Soros/DS Arms,Inc./One World Communication bolstered by a freelance US Intelligence Community vs China and its newfound lackey in Europe, the Russians?


15 posted on 03/16/2022 4:39:01 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: LouieFisk

That is called balance of power politics. That is exactly what has prevented WWIII up until now. Why chuck the concept?


16 posted on 03/16/2022 4:42:15 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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I had contact with a group brought over from Russia after the fall. A factory had developed a method of making stainless steel, and US Steel bought the process. Nice folks, and for their first morning in America, they all ordered three Egg McMuffins. They had never had one (1991-92) and it represented the “the good western life” to them.

A lady in the group lost her purse. She was frantic until a call came in that it had been found.

“How much do they want for it?” she asked. She was astonished that people in America did good deeds for each other, like just returning her purse. She expected it to be held for ransom!


17 posted on 03/16/2022 5:12:26 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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“so now his choices are retreat or mass slaughter. Since retreat would probably mean he also loses power - ‘he led us into a needless war, he brought shame and humiliation on us, and he lost the war’ - Putin will see that as no choice at all, so the mass slaughter will probably commence. “

Putin is a dead man walking. There is no out for him and his foolish miscalculation.


18 posted on 03/16/2022 5:14:49 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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Kherson (which no non-Ukrainian had ever heard of before the war)

Stopped reading right there.

19 posted on 03/16/2022 5:43:05 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (I don’t see why they would)
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When will the guerilla war against Russian occupation start?

It already has.

Will the Ukrainian Govt retreat to Lviv?

They probably already have.

Will Russia invade western Ukraine too?

Yes, they will.


20 posted on 03/16/2022 7:31:32 AM PDT by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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