And Biden is supposedly going to Europe
1938 and Munich come to mind.
Looks like Ukraine is being told to surrender.
Sounds like a good segment of “Conservative Inc” is channeling their inner appeaser these days.
This reminds me of the 1930s British Establishment who thought they could “do business with Hitler”
A negotiated settlement. Stop punishing the people.
The Ukraine has three demands:
How about you pick up sticks
move your troops out and
pull your head out of your ass.
Whatever it is, Washington will get the final say.
If negotiated properly this could stop Putin’s march and safeguard many countries. If that happens Russia can be pulled into the fold of sane nations - as with Japan and Germany after World War II. Tell Putin, “here’s the path to peace, sanity, and having a wealthy country”...
Yeah, it’s a dream but it’d be better having Russia with us or neutral - if we have to take on Iran/China....
Pat’s ready to give the entire Eastern half of Ukraine to Putin, but today there is very little desire among the population there to be a part of Putin’s Russia except for in the Crimea and among the fanatic separatists who control the guns in DPR and LPR.
My guess is that Putin is not going to get serious about a settlement until he makes one final go at taking Kyiv and killing Zelensky and perhaps also a failed attempt to take Odessa and link up to Transnistria.
Putin isn’t going to get anything east of the Dnieper without a fight. Buchanan is dreaming if he thinks Zelenskyy would accept it, and Russia seems unable or unwilling even to force a successful siege of Kiev.
“As this would restore the situation in Ukraine to the “status quo ante” that existed before Putin ordered the invasion”
That was the reality on the ground before the first shot was fired...excepting the political formalities of such.
The nut ball posts from that have dominated this thread from those who have completely bought into the MSM narrative are more amusing than scary. Hey idiots, no one wants to start WWIII over protecting the current corrupt regime installed in Ukraine. Biden, Pelosi, Romney and et. al. have “sons” who were paid off big time and they have now honored their obligation with tough talk. Although Biden in a dementia caused moment of honesty is the one who gave the green light to Putin by saying that we wouldn’t do anything if it was just a “minor incursion”.
Wake up you pack of good for nothing arm chair generals. This thing is going to be over soon for the good of everyone except the die hard war hawks who want nothing more than for this thing to blow up and cause the entire world to go into chaos. You have bought into the propaganda and its more than a little embarrassing to the rest of us.
Putin himself called for demilitarization and denazification.
Putin might want Ukraine to have German-type anti-Nazi laws.
Handing alleged “Nazis” over to Russia for trial is probably not in the cards.
Demilitarization would need to be limited to types of weapons and depend on location. The Russians should clarify what they expect.
Neutrality is probably a must.
Each side should specify the territory it wants (Russia) and is willing to relinquish (Ukraine).
The EU negotiator for Brexit (picked by Macron I believe) seemed to be a tough negotiator.
Perhaps his services could be useful.
Nobody is that stupid.
Go back to the status before the war? They sacrificed much for little.
I tended to assume that the Russian East Ukraine would welcome rule from Moscow. But that is where the toughest resistance is. Since the initial advances the Russians haven’t been able to advance hardly at all.
Even Kiev is a Russian-speaking city, and they show no signs of giving in.
I think Putin believed his own propaganda and is having his hat handed to him.
If they can hold out, it is Putin who will be removed from office before this is over.
Ukraine should cease all military action, recognize Crimea as part of Russia, accept the independence of the Luhansk and Donetsk separatist enclaves, and enact a constitutional commitment to “neutrality,” which would prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO.
Were this to be done, said Peskov, the war “will stop in a moment.”
As this would restore the situation in Ukraine to the “status quo ante” that existed before Putin ordered the invasion, Peskov’s offer seemed not to be believable.
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But was that really the “Status Quo Ante”?
The seperatist enclaves had been granted independence? There was literally a “constitutional commitment” to a postition of neutrality with regards to Russia and Europe/NATO?
Each side is going to have to give something. Maybe Ukraine staying economically free and sovereign but staying out of NATO and the EU political union.
That time has passed, IMO.
Zelensky knows (or he should know) that short of outright victory and independence from Russia, his days are numbered. You don't defy and humiliate Putin and get to live. Putin has already sent teams into Ukraine to assassinate him. With borders down and troops stood down, like what would happen after a peace deal, they'll succeed next time.
Too obvious, you say? But Putin won't need to be subtle. There are other states in the former USSR that need to see what happens when you defy Mother Russia.
The only worthwhile war goal is regime change in Russia.
For his resignation as President Putin should be offered amnesty, an end to all sanctions, and Crimea, + EU membership for Russia if the new government wants it. The Donbas republics should be autonomous, and Ukraine should get Black Sea oil and gas rights.