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Strong NATO, weak U.S., puzzled China: Ukraine war hints at new order
Nikkei Asia ^

Posted on 03/15/2022 10:12:04 AM PDT by FarCenter

Western countries have come together in surprising fashion, imposing economic and financial sanctions regardless of the damage to themselves. Contrary to Putin's game plan, NATO has become tighter, not looser, as an alliance.

But does this mean that Washington is in a better position as the world's leader? Some analysts argue that while the alliance is stronger, the U.S. itself is weaker, especially because President Joe Biden was unable to stop Putin from invading Ukraine.

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"Then the president's decision ... to immediately say that we would not be sending armed forces into Ukraine -- Americans into combat in Ukraine -- was a concession that didn't need to be taken off the table, whether we're going to do it or not," Weinstein said.

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"The Chinese quickly realized: number one, that the invasion was going very poorly," he said. "Number two, that in the eyes of the international community, it was really a terrible liability that Putin and Russia were being isolated and ostracized, and China didn't want to be tarred with that same brush.

"China is now trying to have it both ways," he said. "They want to maintain alignment with Russia for strategic reasons, but they also want to minimize the risk to China from the West and the Western reaction. What they're doing isn't really peacemaking, it's image making."

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"The Quad is a really interesting point because India is so strident in being nonaligned it's becoming a real problem. Australia, Japan and the U.S. are on the same page on Russia. India's by itself, it's with China," he said. "It's very clear that India is the problem, not Japan."

(Excerpt) Read more at asia.nikkei.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ccp; chechens; chechnya; china; europe; india; japan; nato; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraime; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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1 posted on 03/15/2022 10:12:04 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter
Contrary to Putin's game plan, NATO has become tighter, not looser, as an alliance.

Bull crap. NATO nations are still not contributing 2% of GDP to NATO. They are not stronger militarily. They still rely on the US. As for the US, Biden and woke generals have emasculated our military. The US is an eff'n joke. They wouldn't be a joke if they actually won wars. That's the bottom line. We either win or lose. There is no other way to measure this.

2 posted on 03/15/2022 10:17:17 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: FarCenter

The Chinese Communist Party should not be at all puzzled that the Joe Stolen/”Que mala” Harris regime is so weak in its response. That is just the way the CCP groomed the US regime to be.

The plan (for the Xi regime) is coming together nicely. Thing is, though, it is moving so much faster than the timetable they had laid out, and America could STILL come alive, given just a little too much of a push.


3 posted on 03/15/2022 10:24:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: FarCenter

When the government of Ukraine looks stronger than the American Government, you know Biden has finally succeeded in destroying our once great nation.


4 posted on 03/15/2022 10:26:02 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: alloysteel

“America could STILL come alive, given just a little too much of a push.”

Would have to be a heck of a big push. Consider 52% of Dems would cut and run if the US were invaded.


5 posted on 03/15/2022 10:26:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: FarCenter

The USA under Biden is the weakest it has ever been.

The only good news is that the Europeans are filling that void. The world response to Ukraine is being driven in Warsaw, Prague, Berlin and London. Washington no more than a spectator.

It does show that others will resist Russian and Chinese authoritarianism even if America does not.


6 posted on 03/15/2022 10:27:31 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: FarCenter
Strong NATO, weak U.S., puzzled China: Ukraine war hints at new order

"Weak U.S.?" I, like, totally dispute that. I mean, senile Sleepy Joe is, by far, "the most popular U.S. President in history," with over 81 MILLION votes for President! And that election was like, really, really, really, really legit .....


7 posted on 03/15/2022 10:29:52 AM PDT by gw-ington (My preferred pronouns: she, him, it, what, huh, senile, puppet, hyena, headboard, stolen, election.)
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To: Renfrew

Last I heard Germany was still buying Russian energy.

Kinda destroys the “narrative”....


8 posted on 03/15/2022 10:30:25 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: FarCenter

regardless of the damage to themselves. They shut down for 2 years why would this make any difference.


9 posted on 03/15/2022 10:32:20 AM PDT by pas
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To: cgbg

“Last I heard Germany was still buying Russian energy.”

Last I heard Russia was still sending Germany energy to power factories that are building weapons to kill Russians.

Who is the desperate one in this situation?


10 posted on 03/15/2022 10:32:37 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: 1Old Pro

Biden’s just the cherry on top. Cultural forces have been undermining this country for several generations now.


11 posted on 03/15/2022 10:33:28 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: FarCenter

Strong NATO, weak U.S., puzzled China: Ukraine war hints at new WORLD order


12 posted on 03/15/2022 10:34:25 AM PDT by Pollard (PureBlood -- https://youtube.com/watch?v=VXm0fkDituE)
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To: Renfrew

Seriously?

Germany’s economy is totally dependent on Russia.

This is not difficult to figure out....


13 posted on 03/15/2022 10:34:38 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: FarCenter

I don’t think that’s the new order. The Dems want to get rid of NATO, when they can.


14 posted on 03/15/2022 10:40:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Angelino97

One advantage of their system- they can make a genuinely strategic plan that covers decades and not throw it out the window every 4-8 years.


15 posted on 03/15/2022 10:42:22 AM PDT by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“..They are not stronger militarily...”

There has been info coming out of Europe that the European countries are ramping up their military. Germany, in particular, last week announced $2B appropriation for military build-up. As we speak they are having joint military exercises. I believe they have gotten the message.


16 posted on 03/15/2022 10:43:03 AM PDT by elpadre (And here in NCini)
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To: brownsfan

The USA is an occupied country led by a communist puppet.

Why would any patriot want to fight for this corrupt, evil illegitimate regime?

First take out the Clinton/Obama/Biden axis of evil and then we can talk about defending the homeland.


17 posted on 03/15/2022 10:45:29 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Fauci is a murderer)
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To: cgbg

“Germany’s economy is totally dependent on Russia.”

So why hasn’t Putin cut them off yet? Germany is shipping in train loads of weapons to Ukraine and imposing sanctions on all of Putin’s friends and family.


18 posted on 03/15/2022 10:47:28 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: elpadre

Quiz—how long does it take from appropriation to utilization in the real world?

a. Five years?

b. Three years?

c. One year?

d. Six months?

e. Immediately—because Unicorns and Fairy Dust are real.


19 posted on 03/15/2022 10:47:48 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: FarCenter

One of THE top foreign policy goals for US foreign policy in the next half century needs to be drawing India into alignment with the Anglosphere. India is a budding major power. Unlike China, India is a robust democracy. In fact, outside of Europe + the Anglosphere, India is about the only place in the world that took on board/found compatible, the values of the Enlightenment. They are natural allies but it will take time and smart diplomacy to ensure they end up in our camp. Europe + the Anglosphere + Japan + India is an unbeatable power block. If it ends up that Russia and China can draw India into their power block there really will be two very competitive alliances and that could make for real trouble.


20 posted on 03/15/2022 10:47:58 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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