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Alas, the Best Outcome in Ukraine Now May be a Relatively Quick Russian Victory
American Thinker ^ | 03/14/2022 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 03/14/2022 7:11:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s hard finding an American, anywhere, who believes Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a good thing. I’m no exception. War is ugly, and innocent people suffer as the pseudo-elites play their geopolitical chess games driven by power-lust, pocketbook and politics. This also isn’t about rooting for the “good guys.” For Vladimir Putin cannot be counted among them, and, for that matter, neither can ex-actor and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy or our globalist “leaders.” Rather, this concerns something else.

When I was on some medication a while back and wanted to take Benadryl as well, for a more frivolous reason, I hesitated because I couldn’t determine how the drugs would interact. I didn’t take the Benadryl; as someone close to me put it, “You don’t want to risk dying over something stupid.”

The same point could be made here as our leaders, who can’t even figure out what boys and girls are, and who tiptoe around WWIII in the backyard of the nation with the world’s largest nuclear weapons stockpile:

Do we really want to risk dying in an atomic holocaust over something stupid?

This isn’t emotion-driven fear-mongering. Trends forecaster BCA Research is predicting a 10 percent chance of a civilization-ending nuclear war within the next year — and I fear the probability may be greater still.

Before anyone starts going on about the moral imperative of taking up the cudgels for Ukraine — with the pretensions about how “higher gas prices are worth it” (“vaccinating” was the previous moral obligation) — let’s review the stupidity in question.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: invasion; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/14/2022 7:11:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
This guy in 1939:

Alas, the best outcome in Ukraine Czechoslovakia may be a relatively quick Russian German victory. Do we really want to risk dying in WWII WWIII over something stupid?
2 posted on 03/14/2022 7:16:10 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone tell the man that an ascendant Eurasian power realignment will not be a long-term path of safety for us.

There is no going back to a friendly diplomatic relationship with Russia now. Those ships have all been burned down.


3 posted on 03/14/2022 7:16:36 AM PDT by Bayard
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To: SeekAndFind

Good Read.


4 posted on 03/14/2022 7:16:56 AM PDT by xenia ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind

RE: “This also isn’t about rooting for the “good guys.””

As my grandson said, this is really nothing more than a gang fight. Kinda like the Mafia & the Irish gangs in the 1920s or maybe the Crips & Bloods or a couple of the drug cartels today.


5 posted on 03/14/2022 7:20:27 AM PDT by Tupelo (“Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*ck things up” (Barack Obama))
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To: SeekAndFind

The Ukrainians remember the last time they were in the clutches of Russia and will continue fighting no matter what. Eight million Ukrainians starved to death is not an easy thing to forget. It may turn to a low grade undercover fight, but it will end up a thorn in the side of Russia.


6 posted on 03/14/2022 7:21:30 AM PDT by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: SeekAndFind

Article is apologist at best, quisling at worst. Yes, we shouldn’t entangle ourselves in foreign wars, but that ship sailed over 200 years ago and we may as well act like the world police we are. Backing down now will only destabilize the world even further at a time where the global economy and democracy is already at the brink of collapse. Collapse is where the real risk of thermonuclear war is highest.


7 posted on 03/14/2022 7:26:35 AM PDT by Intar
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope, the best outcome is the Afghanistan scenario, where there is endless opposition, funded by the west. It will soon be apparent to Russia that nothing is worth staying.


8 posted on 03/14/2022 7:26:49 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Tupelo
As my grandson said, this is really nothing more than a gang fight. Kinda like the Mafia & the Irish gangs in the 1920s or maybe the Crips & Bloods or a couple of the drug cartels today.

Yeah: That do-gooder Elliot Ness should have kept his nose out of it and gone back to counting beans at FBI headquarters!

It was all just "Al Capone being Al Capone!"

Regards,

9 posted on 03/14/2022 7:29:01 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No doubt he’ll be attacked by the war party as a cowardly stooge of Putin, etc etc.

If Putin’s terms were that Ukraine be gobbled up entirely by Russia, I’d support the Ukes fighting to the bitter end conventionally and then waging guerilla warfare for as long as it takes to drive the Russians out. But those are not the terms Putin has offered. What he’s insisted on is that:

1) Ukraine let the majority Russian areas of Luhansk and Donetsk go and recognize Crimea as Russian....hold any plebiscite you want in these areas. Have the UN oversee it and there is zero doubt in anybody’s mind that these areas choose overwhelmingly to be part of Russia. The populations are ethnic Russians and Russian speakers who for good reason feel oppressed by the Kiev government.

2) Ukraine be a non aligned (ie no NATO or EU) non hostile and largely demilitarized country.

3) That the Nazis who have a lot of influence in Ukraine - see the Azov Battalion has to go.

Are these terms so harsh that Ukraine should be willing to endure a bloodbath to avoid them? Finland, Austria and Japan all fit this profile after WWII. Those are wealthy, stable, democratic countries in which their citizens have a very good quality of life. The Ukes aren’t going to win. They’re going to lose. Everybody with any sense (that means not the Neocons and the corporate media) can see it.

They would be well advised to accept the terms, end the killing and go about the business of trying to improve the quality of life for their citizens.


10 posted on 03/14/2022 7:29:28 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: SeekAndFind

A positive outcome of the invasion of Ukraine has already been achieved - the awakening of NATO countries to the threat of Russia, and a reinvigoration in their investment of their own defense. It may also swing a few countries that have been wavering about joining NATO - the complete opposite of what Russia claims that it wanted to prevent.


11 posted on 03/14/2022 7:32:07 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: SeekAndFind

Surrender Monkeys to the Front!


12 posted on 03/14/2022 7:34:19 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SeekAndFind

What a b**$h!t article.

The Ukrainians aren’t giving up that easily. On paper they stand no chance, but they are going to make Putin bleed his young men’s blood.

And “n fact, despite then-U.S. secretary of state James Baker assuring Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 that NATO would extend “not one inch [farther] eastward,” there are now on Russia’s borders four NATO members: Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia.”

What rot — James Baker assured THE USSR. The USSR has not existed since 1990.

In 1999 — 9 years AFTER the USSR collapsed, Poland joined.

That was not breaking a promise to Russia - as NO promise was made to Russia. A promise was made to the USSR, which does not exist and did not exist in 1999


13 posted on 03/14/2022 7:34:55 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Bayard

There IS a chance - if Putin goes.


14 posted on 03/14/2022 7:35:36 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Tupelo

No, it’s not a gang fight.

It is clear - Putin invaded Ukraine to prevent it allying itself in a DEFENSIVE alliance.


15 posted on 03/14/2022 7:36:19 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: FLT-bird

#1 - you are mixing up Russian speakers with Russian ethnicity with pro-Russia sentiments. There are plenty of Ukrainians speaking Russian who have no intention of joining Putin’s Russia. And “Russian ethnicity”? The differences between Russian and Ukrainian ethnicities are slight - but it boils down to right now pro-Putin or no. And most Russian speakers in Ukraine are NOT pro-Putin.

2. If Ukraine becomes demilitarized then next Russia will take another slice, then another slice. SALAMI tactics.

3. The Azov Battalion are a few hundred nuts. They aren’t even in the Ukrainian parliament. And there are Neo-Nazis among the Russians - as in the Wagner group.


16 posted on 03/14/2022 7:39:29 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: Cronos
#1 - you are mixing up Russian speakers with Russian ethnicity with pro-Russia sentiments. There are plenty of Ukrainians speaking Russian who have no intention of joining Putin’s Russia. And “Russian ethnicity”? The differences between Russian and Ukrainian ethnicities are slight - but it boils down to right now pro-Putin or no. And most Russian speakers in Ukraine are NOT pro-Putin.

It's like Irish who speak English instead of Gaelic, doesn't mean they love England.

17 posted on 03/14/2022 7:42:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Cronos

I don’t think Putin is going to be deposed.

If he is gone within the year, maybe. He’s not the only one who can run Russia. Every year Russia and China cooperate economically the more they will use each other for their own geopolitical reasons against a Western American led block, until they no longer perceive the USA as a huge external threat.


18 posted on 03/14/2022 7:44:45 AM PDT by Bayard
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To: SeekAndFind

There will be no Russian victory. That ship has sailed.


19 posted on 03/14/2022 7:53:26 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of suffering could have been avoided in the 40s if Europe had agreed to become Germany.


20 posted on 03/14/2022 7:53:57 AM PDT by libh8er
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