Posted on 03/12/2022 6:24:13 AM PST by blam
Much Wants More And Loses All
The collective post-West has been running amok for the last two weeks.
The powers that be make believe that they did not expect that events would unfold the way they are unfolding now (though they did their best to make things happen as they are happening) and they make a show imposing sanctions on the aggressor and assuring the populace that the aggressor sooner or later will cave in. There is yet a third aspect to the phenomenon: the same powers that be want the people to forget that merely twenty years back they themselves assaulted Yugoslavia/Serbia, used missiles with depleted uranium, bombed cities and shot at civilians. Of course, that earlier event was a humanitarian action while the current one is a brutal act of aggression, but we digress.
Now there is a big misconception on the part of the post-West about Russia. If the Western media claim the Russian people are against the war or that the Russian people are about to rebel and overthrow President Putin, then they are either delusional or lying through their teeth. Reality is something that refuses to obey our wishes. The Russian people have rallied around their president and and their authorities; the Russian people – unlike citizens of the post-Western countries – are patriotic and ready to sacrifice themselves in defence of their fatherland. Western sanctions? The post-West may withdraw businesses and impose sanctions on Russian oligarchs, which is music to the ears of the Russian people. They resented Western dominance anyway and they will be more than happy to see the oligarchs mopped up from their society. Russians view the hostilities as a repeat of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. Contrary to what has been done to the Western collective mentality, the Russian authorities under Vladimir Putin took great efforts to raise Russia’s citizens in patriotic values. Russians are going to win because they do not care about money so much as the West does. That’s one big misconception that Western people have about their opponents from the East.
It is the West that cannot imagine a life without money and the resultant luxuries. Sanctions or no sanctions, Western companies will sooner or later (I bet: sooner) resume business with Russia because – as everybody in the West knows – “money makes the world go round”. No less a person than Comrade Lenin famously said: capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will make a noose to hang them. And so they will, make no bones about it.
Yes, the West is ready to go to war with Russia so long as it has… Ukrainian, Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian, Latvian or Estonian soldiers at its disposal. The moment the West runs out of those soldiers, its leaders will go back to the negotiating table with the Kremlin.
Do you want any evidence?
Here you are.
A few days ago Americans tried to set Poland against Russia in that they suggested to Warsaw that it send Soviet-made MiG aircraft to Ukraine. Though the Polish authorities usually oblige the West’s wishes, this time they had second thoughts about the proposal and replied that they were ready to send the said aircraft to the American air base in Rammstein so that Americans could pass them over to Kiev. And you know what? Washington was beside itself with annoyance! You see? The dog was expected to bite the bear, with the dog’s owner watching from the sidelines and biding his time.
Just picture it to yourself. Warsaw sens the MiG aircraft to Ukraine, Moscow regards it (and rightly so!) as a hostile act and fires a couple of missiles against selected targets in Polish territory. What do you think the West would do? Yes, you guessed it right. The West would express its great indignation and impose a set of new sanctions… for a time.
Talking about President Putin, who – according to the Western analysts is about to be toppled either by the people closest to him or by the nation – his Christian name is Vladimir, and Vladimir was the name of the grand prince of Rus’ who united the many Slavic tribes and christened them. He went down in history as Vladimir the Great. The chances are – whether you like it or not – that Putin is going to be another Vladimir the Great.
The current war means the end of the world that we have been accustomed to. We are entering a new cold war period and a new division of the globe with the United States, Great Britain, and the European Union on the one side, and Russia and China on the other. This new world throws a monkey wrench into the plans forged by globalists of the Klaus Schwab ilk. Or, globalism will be reduced to the Western world. The international rules that all the countries have up to now tried to abide by are no more valid for Russia, and consequently sooner or later for others because of the domino effect. Being beleaguered by the West, Moscow will have no intention to play by the rules created in this West. Why should it?
Sanctions work both ways. Russia has a lot to offer, be it crude oil, natural gas, rare metals or what not. Look back into the past! The Bolsheviks that took reins of power after 1917 were hated by the West. Lo and behold, it did not take many years for the capitalists to resume business with the hated communists; similarly, after the Second World War the Soviet Union was regarded as a hostile empire and yet, and despite that, business between the West and the Soviets went as usual. How about China? It was Taiwan that was first supported by the West, yet slowly but surely Washington reversed course, left Taiwan to its own devices and resumed contacts with Beijing. Since – as said above – money makes the world go round, the greedy capitalists helped China develop in that they outsourced almost all production to the Middle Kingdom. Do you think it is going to be different now with regard to Russia?
When Ukraine is eventually conquered by Russia, what will the elites in such small countries like Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia – all bordering on Russia – think about their security and the ability of the collective West to help them?
I want to see that man or that woman who really thinks that NATO will go to war with Russia over Estonia or Latvia.
Ukraine has been exploited by Western companies for thirty long years. All those contacts with democracies and capitalism did not benefit the country at all. It only benefited a handful of people, who fled Ukraine before the hostilities, leaving the rank and file behind. Rumour has it that President Zelensky is kept in the American embassy in Warsaw though we are all made to believe that he remains in Kiev. How much would you bet on President Zelensky residing in Kiev, a city that is about to be soon encircled?
The West could have further exploited Ukraine and teased Russia but it simply overplayed its hand.
Precisely as it is described in this fable by Aesop where a goose laying golden eggs is killed by the greedy owners. The moral? Much wants more and loses all. Now that Moscow is taking retaliatory steps like shutting down media outlets that propagated Western ideas and Western lifestyle the West has lost its ideological bridgehead inside Russia that it has held for thirty years. The West really thought it was ready to make a killing. A big killing. Western elites really thought Russia would be withdrawing from its positions further and further; they really believed the Navalny kind of Russian dissenters that the Russian people were all against the authorities. Worse, the West still thinks that Russians will force their president to surrender because otherwise common people will be stripped of the opportunity to eat hamburgers and cheeseburgers in McDonald’s restaurants in Moscow and Petersburg! Sure, there are some such people who are ready to trade their country for ham- and cheeseburgers, but then it is a splinter from the large whole. The majority accustomed to Russia’s greatness are not willing to sell this greatness off. Plus, they are not attracted by the Western values of married homosexuals or the many sexes that are invented by the month. That’s also something that the post-West is not aware of. Remember also that millions of Russians have bitter recollections of the Yeltsin era during which western-style capitalism promised them well-being and brought poverty, unrest and humiliation instead. That’s one big reason why President Putin is appreciated by the vast majority of the population: he put an end to chaos and brought in stability. If you think Russians dream about homosexual parades in their cities or pregnant soldiers in their army or the many gender pronouns, you cannot be more delusional.
There is one more explanation to all what is occurring.
The West went to great lengths to have Russia and Ukraine clash for the sheer purpose of weakening both countries. This is one sure way of preserving world preponderance, is it not? Lead nations to war the moment you see they have developed too much and too fast. The United States achieved its global dominance because the Second World War wreaked havoc with the economies of Germany, Great Britain, France, Russia, Italy and Japan – the world’s powerhouses. After the cessation of the hostilities all those countries needed American aid and American dollars and were compelled to accept almost all the dictates from Washington.
Look at the present political map of the world. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine, the countries of former Yugoslavia, the states that went through an array of all those colour revolutions: they are reeling under the blows of all manner of war, civil war, social upheaval and the attendant economic collapse. Which country emerges victorious? Yes, sure, the one that has not been directly engaged in the conflict. A classic case of two dogs fighting for a bone with a third running away with it.
Russia and Ukraine will lose a number of people (killed, wounded, displaced); Ukraine will have its economy ruined; Poland is already accommodating a million (and rising!) Ukrainians who somehow do not want to defend their country and prove their rights to it (If you say that women and children do not or should not take part in hostilities, then think again); Warsaw will have a lot of trouble with them. Who emerges victorious? You know who. Vice-President Kamala Harris visited Poland to reassuringly pat the Polish nation on the shoulder in recognition of Poland’s hospitality towards Ukrainians. She knows that such gestures work with Poles. The supranational elites hating ethnically monolithic countries are rubbing their hands in glee. At last Poland, this ethnically and religiously monolithic nation, is changing to a mix of Poles and Ukrainians, of Catholic and Orthodox Christians, to be later skillfully set off against each other like Croats and Serbs if Warsaw should fail to toe the Western party line.
Can’t they be both delusional and lying?
Sometimes, looking at the media ‘reporting’... I wonder how they can sit there and say that stuff without a shudder or without laughing out loud!
It’s genuinely disturbing to me that the people in the media so blatantly lie to us and then get “angry” when we say “You are Fake News”. It takes a damaged person to do that stuff for a living.
Lost all respect for people who post pro Russian proagamda here.
Want to talk about a total disconnect from reality? This article is completely divorced from even slight contact with the truth.
Invding your neighbor with 200,000 troops is not defending your self. It is a naked act of agression
Just stop lying. You can opposing US intervention without being Putin’s propaganda whores. That Putin tells you he hates the same people you hate does not make him a good guy
Poland had large Orthodox minorities 1919-1939 when it included portions of what are now in Byelorussia and Ukraine, including the city of Lviv. And for that matter it had a large Jewish minority as well, which was nearly entirely exterminated in the holocaust.
Add; from a racial-cultural point of view Ukrainians are generally compatible immigrants in Europe and the US, vastly easier to integrate than Africans and Arabs. There are plenty of Ukrainian immigrants in the US and Canada as it is.
Go collect your pay, Comrade.
Which may be why Harris punted on the question during the farcical press event with the Polish president. Not the kind of refugees this administration is after.
There are all sorts of fake news. Its all about fitting news to an agenda. Since there are many players in this world there are many agendas. There arent just two sides in all this, there are dozens.
In US politics there are at least three sides, of which two are in a tacit alliance against the third, but outside US borders it gets much more complicated immediately.
Want to talk about a total disconnect from reality? This article is completely divorced from even slight contact with the truth.
You have a valid point, but so does the article.
We did a lot of mistakes to get to this point. And continue to do them.
Biden is using Ukraine to attack Russia and Ukraine lovers are being taken for a ride, while Ukraine is being destroyed.
Lots of Freepers completely fooled.
You don’t have to be a Putin Lover to recognize that we’re being lied to.
Bingo!
;>)
The article, reposted by "nationanastate" is also reposted at "zerohedge." It is from gefira.org, the byline to which reads "Global Analysis from the European Perspective. Preparing for the world of tomorrow."
This entity, Gefira sells its "bulletins" so one knows it is a for-profit entity, but it does not disclose its location. Some report it to be run out of the Netherlands. "Whois" shows it's location is hidden by whoisproxy.com, run out of Virginia. And Gefira states "In the free West, we can not expose our location without troubles." This is their rationale as they sell, though not showing from what host country they sell their "global analysis." Like others like Oryxspioenkop, which was referenced in another thread.
They say on their site: "The Gefira Bulletin is intended for investors. The analyses that we make and the trends that we predict deal primarily with economic and financial matters related to geopolitical events. The bulletin appears ten times a year at an annual price of 225 euros/250 dollars. We are also developing the Gefira website, accessible to users worldwide, where we explore political, social and demographic topics."
https://gefira.org/bulletin/
The article posted from Gefira suggests of the Russia/Ukraine war, "A classic case of two dogs fighting for a bone with a third running away with it." Some Freepers say China is the third, while Gefira suggests the US is the third.
Whatever the outcome of the Ukraine/Russia war, it is certain there will be an outcome. Pro-EU? Pro-US? Pro-Russia? Pro-China?
It is also certain that if Russia survives until next winter, one way or another, turning off the energy "tap" to Europe for only weeks would expose the weakness of the EU "green energy" revolution, in the same way that Biden's turning down the US "tap" on energy production to coerce "green" policies weakens this nation.
In the interim, lots of websites have their "bulletins" and "reports" and "studies" to sell, left and right alike. It seems the world is rich in opinion -- for money.
Post #2. Nails it out of the box. :-)
Well done.
NRC reported on Tuesday that Dankers was the head of Gefira, a radical right-wing group that has claimed that mass migration to Europe is a Jewish plot to “dilute” the West and that the Jews were responsible for much of the Netherlands slave trade.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-official-at-dutch-tv-station-quits-over-alleged-antisemitism/
Gotta remember that the Poles purged Ukrainians from their country even during the 50s and 60s. Watch for it to happen again as the “temporary” situation eases.
One may read: https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/11/08/dutch-entrepreneur-resigns-from-right-wing-broadcaster-after-virulent-antisemitism-exposed/
The pro-Ukrainian propaganda is equally bad; we have no relationship with these people. Europe is tiptoeing around this because they know we won’t lift a finger.
We are expecting cooperation from many of the countries we abandoned in Afghanistan (after pressuring them to join the effort there); they publicly stated they couldn’t remain because they relied on us for some critical functions (medevacs, intelligence and such), and they also publicly stated we didn’t warn them of our planned hasty retreat.
No reason to trust US policy anymore; if the current administration doesn’t screw you, elections could bring in a new one that could negate any agreements.
Really, these stupid Russian trolls are hilarious, Vlad’s ball washers worshipping him to bring back the Soviet State.
Anyone posting this drivel should be banned immediately.
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