Posted on 03/07/2022 7:23:18 AM PST by Mariner
The whole idea of boycotting Russian vodka reminds too much of “freedom fries” from Gulf War 2.0. It seems stupid and silly until you realize we are stupid and silly and this is how we are led to war.
The tsunami of pro-Ukrainian propaganda is only matched by its transparency. The Ghost of Kiev was crafted out of an aircraft computer game. The Ukrainians on that island who would rather die than surrender surrendered. Zelensky is Where’s Waldo?, popping up in undated video with unidentifiable backgrounds, dressed in military cosplay reminiscent of George W. Bush in his flight suit. For Americans, war only happens on TV anyway.
The simplistic narrative is the same simplistic narrative: plucky freedom fighters against some evil dictator. It’s the same story of the resistance fighters in Syria against Assad, the Kurds against ISIS, the Taliban whom Ronald Reagan called the equivalent of our Founding Fathers for their fight against the Red Army.
Putin now is the most evil man on earth, unhinged, mentally unwell. Saddam once was, Assad used to be, and Gaddafi was to the point where America cheered as he was sodomized with a bayonet on TV. Familiar voices sound. The Brookings Institution demands “Regime change: Russia.” The Council on Foreign Relations roars “the conversation has shifted to include the possibility of desired regime change in Russia.” One headline wishfully notes “knocking Putin’s teams off the sports stage leaves him exposed to his own people.” No one seems to recall our last attempt at regime change in Russia is what put Putin into power in the first place.
Putin’s goals have gone in a matter of days from sorting out Cold War borders to “the restoration of a triumphalist, imperialistic Russian identity, or another bloodstained nationalistic surge to cover for the criminality of his regime...
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If it makes you physically ill with rage, you are likely a neoconservative...and we're happy it offended you.
We’ve always been at war with Eastasia, Winston.” - G. Orwell, 1984....................
Yes. And they all were. There is no shortage of people with evil intent.
And yes, the agitprop from Ukraine isn't helping. But neither is the avalanche of bovine scat from the pro-Soviet KGB guy either.
You missed the point of the article.
There are crazy people in charge of nation states.
But it’s not our problem to solve.
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Those people who applaud corporations denying products and services to Russia as punishment for their invasion of Ukraine, should wait for the light bulb over their head to start glowing, however meekly, and realize that these same corporations can more easily deny their products and services to individuals who do not march to the oligarchs’ tune.
One of them is most definitely OURS to solve.
Right here in the 200XX zipcode block.
Things are clearly not as black and white as folks think. I am not really good at “nuance” or “shades of gray” and I have managed to figure this out. To the extent I have a side, I am on the side of the Ukrainians simply because the Russians are there and should not be.
Putin has reduced his demands to a reasonable level: Ukraine will never be part of NATO, the independence of the ethnic Russian breakaway areas (Donbas?) must be recognized, and the Crimea must be ceded.
I think the first is a no brainer. For the second, I would require that the area become part of Russia. The Donbas areas is too likely to become a flashpoint if left on their own. The third, cede Crimea, simply recognizes the facts of the current situation.
I think Ukraine should grab for these. They’re losing and I don’t think they are going to get a better offer.
LOL.
If they wanted to dictate the borders the Soviets should have won the Cold War.
Maybe it's the American in me.
IMHO. Key phrase in the article.
I would add "until its not". And a lot of people will suffer because of it.
Except in our own nation state.
Me too. A place far across the sea doesn’t mean a damn thing to me.
Our southern border has disappeared and we’re now North Mexico.
I agree, but let’s be honest.
“The Ukraine” has not been an independent state for any length of time in history. They will be sliced up sooner or later.
I would make a deal, and then start trying to see who to sell real estate to. Because Russia will be back, and they will take Kiev some day.
I would take Putin’s current offer:
Ukraine never joins NATO.
Independence for Luhansk and Donetsk.
Sign over the Crimea.
I would have two caveats:
Luhansk and Donetsk must become part of Russia. No tiny landlocked states with obnoxious governments to act as Russian proxies.
The Russians have to pay compensation for the loss of Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk.
That is probably the best offer the Ukraine is going to get.
This is a great summary of the dishonest propaganda that our rulers are putting out to get Americans to support going to war in Ukraine.
I see a lot of conservatives here on FR being taken in by it.
I’ve lived through the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident and the Sadaam-has-nukes drumbeats war. I’m not Charlie Brown and the football.
The only thing about this article I do not like is the suggestion that America has no role in the rest of the world with its military. I disagree. We should use our military to protect American vital interests. Ukraine is not even close.
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