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Russia’s Military Chief Promised Quick Victory in Ukraine, but Now Faces a Potential Quagmire
WSJ ^ | 06-MAR-2022 | Thomas Grove

Posted on 03/06/2022 1:01:38 PM PST by SpeedyInTexas

When Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the country’s nuclear forces to go on high alert last week, he looked down a long table at his defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, who nodded in assent.

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Russian troops’ failure to quickly seize Ukraine, however, has shown Mr. Shoigu’s changes, while real, didn’t create the fearsome fighting force he touted. Poor logistics, flawed strategy and ill-prepared troops mean any victory will be immensely costly, and an occupation hard to sustain.

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“By agreeing to these assumptions and this type of operation, he has essentially thrown the Russian military into a disaster.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...


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To: NorseViking
50% of the Ukrainian territory minus Nazi Galicia is under Russian control

If you say so, NV.

Everyone has been speculating as to the real purpose of Putin's invasion. And now we know, it is a special operation to contribute Russian military equipment to Ukrainian farmers.


21 posted on 03/06/2022 1:31:00 PM PST by Meet the New Boss (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Meet the New Boss

That is hilarious. If only Shah Ahmed Massood had put that much distance between himself and the assassins disguised as a news crew back in September 9, 2001, the Taliban wouldn’t be in charge today.

I bet Nancy Pelosi wishes she had a table like that to match her oversized gavel.


22 posted on 03/06/2022 1:31:45 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Why would you post a WSJ article when the reader can’t read it unless they have a subscription to the WSJ??


23 posted on 03/06/2022 1:33:56 PM PST by rexthecat
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To: SpeedyInTexas

President Zoolander is tougher than Bin Laden.

He’ll continue the fight from caves in Ukraine.


24 posted on 03/06/2022 1:37:22 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Meet the New Boss

bad breath?


25 posted on 03/06/2022 1:38:37 PM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Zelinskyy is asking his people to fight and die for a lost cause, and is asking the world to get pulled into WWIII.


26 posted on 03/06/2022 1:38:56 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: I-ambush

Why would they release a photo like that? Makes Putin look paranoid and isolated.
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Why did they release it? I have no idea.

Why is he sitting 20 feet away from his underlings? It’s called Covid Paranoia. Putin has it in spades.


27 posted on 03/06/2022 1:45:04 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

So this defense minister was blowing smoke up Putin’s butt and he was too dumb to realize that. Thats sad for the great Russian 5D chess master. After being being in power as long as Putin has been, this is common. They surround themselves with more and more yes men who tell them what they want to hear.


28 posted on 03/06/2022 1:45:27 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: Meet the New Boss

Is he going Trudeau on them yet?


29 posted on 03/06/2022 1:48:13 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

it is a special operation to contribute Russian military equipment to Ukrainian scrap metal recycling yards. At this rate the owners will wind up being oligarchs.


30 posted on 03/06/2022 1:50:08 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: rexthecat

Install this and point wsj to www.google.com and it will load.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/referer-control/hnkcfpcejkafcihlgbojoidoihckciin


31 posted on 03/06/2022 1:55:49 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: coloradan

It’s just propaganda is suspect.


32 posted on 03/06/2022 1:56:53 PM PST by TermLimits4All (We all know the solution to preserve freedom. Who though has the will to fight for it.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Nothing in war ever goes exactly as planned. But it's a bit early to declare a quagmire, don't you think.

WSJ == just another ruling class mouthpiece.

33 posted on 03/06/2022 1:57:53 PM PST by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: I-ambush

“Makes Putin look paranoid and isolated.”

Perhaps he is.


34 posted on 03/06/2022 1:59:35 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: coloradan

The WSJ telepath has once again penetrated the Kremlin mental defenses.


35 posted on 03/06/2022 2:05:19 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

Thanks for today’s Mapper!


36 posted on 03/06/2022 2:07:49 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: rexthecat

Speedy might be working in the Subscription Department of the Wall Street Journal .... “Working from home I made $25,000 dollars a month posting to the FR and tricking rubes into subscribing”.


37 posted on 03/06/2022 2:08:47 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (When Satan craps another demon possessed Progressive is born.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
FTA:

The military was also used to punish opponents of Mr. Putin, who were sent to harsh locations to do their military service. “It’s seen as a kind of punishment for people who don’t know how to keep their mouths shut,” said a person with ties to the Defense Ministry.

Young Russian males must serve one year in the armed forces.

What the article indicates is that this is used to punish young people who politically oppose Putin, by sending them to the Arctic Circle or some such when they do their one-year military duty.

Interestingly, this jibes with something the FSB whistle-blower said in his letter, translated from Russian:

From the pros: we did everything so that even a hint of the mass sending of "penalty boxes" to the front line did not pass. Send convicts and "socially unreliable" political prisoners there (so that they don't mess with the water inside the country) - the morale of the army will simply go into the negative. And the enemy is motivated, terribly motivated. He knows how to fight, there are enough middle-level commanders there. There are weapons. They have support. We will simply set a precedent for human loss in the world. And that's it.

So I gather the practice of sending young political opponents of Putin's to undesirable locations when they do their one-year military service is called the "penalty box" from hockey terminology. But it was considered a bad idea to send these people to the front lines in Ukraine because they are not motivated to fight for Putin's victory.

38 posted on 03/06/2022 2:16:16 PM PST by Meet the New Boss (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Not entirely accurate and a bit of propaganda here.

Russia planned a fifteen day campaign at the minimum. The three-day-blitz was what the west thought was the plan when the invasion started. Sen. Marco Rubio tweeted on it when this started. Turns out advisors to western governments had that part wrong.

The Ukraine military posted on on Facebook that they seized the Russian operation plans (The situation regarding the Russian invasion). Russia's state run Pravda reported it as well (Russia's secret documents: war in Ukraine was to last 15 days" Pravda link).

WSJ is shifting the Russian goalpost. Russia's plan was to take longer than initially thought in the west. It is also taking longer than Russia anticipated. WSJ is treating this as if it is a quagmire. The elephant in the living room is that this is a invasion of another country. Russia did not invade expecting they would face no long term consequences. Even if it takes a few more weeks, in the long term that will not matter and Ukrainians will be no less oppressed for it.

39 posted on 03/06/2022 2:16:52 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: coloradan

Quagmire, I heard that somewhere before.

Not very credible at all.

We are getting a one sided picture. At one point RT was even being censored, not sure if it still is. All our media is lockstep at this point, as it was with Covid, Iraq, global warming, the election results and Biden winning... You have to go out of your way to find something that actually reports the other perspective or is first person and not just the 100th third person account of the same initial report. Our media sucks. Weak on facts and reporting, full of dimwitted analysis, and always on some bandwagon.

I do not know where things are exactly because of the shitty western biased propaganda we call news 24/7.

But I do know this as a fact. If the Russians wanted to, they could have rolled Ukraine up fast. The delays you see is because they are trying to avoid the total destruction of that place. No one wants that.

What this guy calls a quagmire is actually showing a complex order of battle where they are dealing with an asymmetric fight (hard), in urban areas (hard), using combined, joint and national assets (high level of planning and coordination), dealing with information operations against them never before even dreamed possible in magnitude (all state and private media in the West), and at the same time conduct negotiations etc.

Frankly, this “quagmire” is something which none of our NATO allies would be able to pull off. Not one. The French and the UK would be able to do this at a mini scale but not even come close in the scope of what the Russians are doing.

Sometimes people don’t see what is actually going on. Based off the limited public information, it appears the Russians are seizing key infrastructure, going after Ukraine’s force projecting capabilities, command and control, communications, and their government. It appears they are doing things which place them in a position of dominance at the negotiating table, and they planned that from day one.

***The Russian end state is to ensure Ukraine does not join the EU and NATO.***

That was their reason for going to war and that was clearly articulated.

Their objective is not to take and hold ground (although they might do some of that too), seize a flag at a capital, capturing some leader... all things people typically associate with winning. They have a political objective and their armed services are doing the “arm twisting” to ensure the other side is more willing to negotiate.


40 posted on 03/06/2022 2:17:21 PM PST by Red6
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