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Democratic Senators See Writing On The Wall After Supreme Court Hears EPA Case
TPM ^ | Mar 2, 2022 | Kate Riga

Posted on 03/02/2022 2:24:34 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?

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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The point of this is to make congress vote on these restricting policies and reap the consequences of those votes instead of hiding behind this bureaucracy.


41 posted on 03/02/2022 5:13:31 PM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Seruzawa

Show me kind reader, where in the US Constitution does it say...”and the Federal Government shall own all the land, water and air in America”???


42 posted on 03/02/2022 5:56:08 PM PST by JJBookman (NOWHERE, that's where! )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“... good regulation.”

Ahhhh. I see The Problem, here.


43 posted on 03/02/2022 6:37:55 PM PST by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Ken H; All
"“Where necessary to make a regulation of interstate commerce effective, Congress may regulate even those intrastate activities that do not themselves substantially affect interstate commerce.”"

Thanks for replying.

Fortunately, Justice Joseph Story had given us examples of the do's and don'ts (web spelling) of how to interpret the Commerce Clause, in a single paragraph nonetheless.

Story had explained that although many things are intimately related to commerce, the federal government is to interpret Commerce Clause narrowly (my wording). And if the states later decide that Congress need expanded Commerce Clause powers then the states can amend the Constitution.

One of the reasons that the very corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress is now continually overstepping its constitutionally limited powers is this imo. To his disappointment of SCOTUS finding some of FDR's early New Deal programs unconstitutional, the shrinking, state sovereignty-respecting majority of Supreme Court justices emphasizing the already reasonably clear meaning of Congress's Commerce Clause powers in terms of the 10th Amendment (10A) as the following excerpt from United States versus Butler shows.

"From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]." —United States v. Butler, 1936.

Unfortunately, FDR was reelected enough times that he was able to form a state sovereignty-ignoring majority of activist justices. FDR's activist majority justices ultimately wrongly politically “repealed” 10A in Wickard v. Filburn (Wickard) imo.

More specifically, using inappropriate words like “concept” and “implicit,” also a reference to state power manufacturing, here is what was left of 10A after FDR's state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices got finished with it in Wickard.

"In discussion and decision, the point of reference, instead of being what was "necessary and proper" to the exercise by Congress of its granted power, was often some concept [???] of sovereignty thought to be implicit [???] in the status of statehood. Certain activities such as "production," manufacturing, and "mining" were occasionally said to be within the province of state governments and beyond the power of Congress under the Commerce Clause [??? emphasis added]." —Wickard v. Filburn, 1942.

Regarding this excerpt, consider that regardless that Story had used power to regulate manufactures as an example of something having an intimate relationship with commerce, but was still out of the scope of Congress's Commerce Clause powers, FDR's justices seem to have wrongly indicated that manufactures is not a state power issue.

The bottom line is that this politically correct "insight" of FDR's justices into state sovereignty has arguably been used as a license to justify unconstitutional federal interference in the affairs of the sovereign states since SCOTUS wrongly decided Wickard in Congress's favor imo.

One remaining question about FDR's New Deal programs is this. Since FDR was said to be a popular president, then why didn't he lead Congress to first successfully petition the states to give Congress new constitutionally express powers to establish his otherwise unconstitutional New Deal programs? The new amendments could have been called FDR's New Deal Amendments.

Instead, it's almost as if FDR and Congress didn't understand that the Constitution was amendable.

Corrections, insights welcome.

44 posted on 03/02/2022 7:07:15 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

This could be huge. Nobody elected the tens of thousands of nameless, faceless bureaucrats handing down their insane regulations from Mount DC.

Congress has kicked the Administrative State can down the road for well over 100 years. Time to kill it.


45 posted on 03/02/2022 7:54:59 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally. The war is on Biden and Obama.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“.....handcuffing the EPA from its ability to keep some of the country’s biggest polluters from belching greenhouse gasses into the air.....”
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Yeah, no bias there, Kate, you ridiculous eco-freak moonbat.


46 posted on 03/02/2022 8:12:10 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Greenie weenie ecofreaks in Europe and the USA are responsible for this war.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Billions for the carbon hoax not one penny for real pollution.


47 posted on 03/02/2022 8:23:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Is it time for a general strike yet?)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
Some court watchers worry that a conservative majority could also use this forum to issue a blanket ruling on agency power, one that reverberates through the entire administrative state and invites challenges to all kinds of exercises of executive branch authority.

This court has never shown any inclination in all the chances they have had so far. In fact, they think "splitting the baby" is the answer to every question that faces them, and when the baby can't be split they come down on the left every time.

48 posted on 03/02/2022 8:38:36 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Really they just want to be free of any constitutional limits upon their power.


49 posted on 03/02/2022 9:04:45 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: hanamizu

Seeing how the U.S. Constitution never gives Congress any power over the “environment” the lack of power to enable little dictators is inconsequencal compared to the dictatorial power itself over everything.

A case could be made if such broad power exist Congress does not have enough hours in the year to manage all the little despots they created, and few presidents even know most of them even exist.


50 posted on 03/02/2022 9:09:24 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: hopespringseternal

“In fact, they think “splitting the baby” is the answer to every question that faces them, and when the baby can’t be split they come down on the left every time.”

BINGO.


51 posted on 03/02/2022 9:29:03 PM PST by flaglady47 (Donald J.Trump, President in 2024 - DeSantis for VP (or Senior Advisor))
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CO2 is not a pollutant. We exhale it.

Are you talking about that gas that makes up an entire 4/100ths of 1% of our atmosphere, even with all the contributions of burning "fossil" fuels for generations? That CO2?

52 posted on 03/03/2022 4:49:54 AM PST by Go Gordon
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Some court watchers worry that a conservative majority could also use this forum to issue a blanket ruling on agency power, one that reverberates through the entire administrative state and invites challenges to all kinds of exercises of executive branch authority. Weakening environmental protections would be one impact — but such a decision could ripple into worker safety, public health, housing disputes, and every other corner of American life that agencies shape.....

Why would they be worried? Surely all that stuff they're worried about is Constitutional and has no issues with being under a power the government is allowed to exercise.

...Or are they worried because they know this stuff is NOT Constitutional, but they want to keep all the power?
53 posted on 03/03/2022 6:12:42 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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For those interested, here is a link to a transcript of the oral arguments:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2021/20-1530_p8k0.pdf


54 posted on 03/03/2022 9:28:11 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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