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Commentary: Misguided proposal for electric car batteries could actually increase California emissions
The Sacramento Bee ^ | February 22, 2022 | By Steve Christensen

Posted on 02/22/2022 7:05:11 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

California has done more than any other state to facilitate the widespread adoption of electric vehicles, and it recently announced new measures to do so again. This time, however, the state is pursuing an EV policy whose tradeoffs have not yet been sufficiently evaluated.

A recent proposal from the California Air Resources Board (CARB), the state’s clean air watchdog, would require EVs built in 2026 and beyond to have batteries that maintain 80% of their power for at least 15 years. This “durability requirement” is intended to promote the resale of used EVs by assuring purchasers that the battery still has enough remaining life to run the car.

The proposal could also overwhelm the nascent EV battery recycling industry, which is racing to prepare for the nearly 16 billion pounds of lithium-ion EV batteries (approximately 403 million batteries) expected to reach end of life by 2040.

This mandate will influence battery-related environmental emissions in ways that haven’t been analyzed or fully understood. All stages of the battery life cycle — from raw materials extraction through manufacturing, use, charging, secondary use outside the EV and eventual recycling — have emissions properties that must be considered and weighed when creating public policy.

Prioritizing the single outcome of sufficient battery life in used EVs over sound, science-based public policy undermines progress toward establishing a true circular economy for batteries that minimizes full life cycle environmental and emissions impacts.

The main goal of adopting EVs is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That should be the starting point of any policy discussion.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automotive; batteries; electric; vehicles

1 posted on 02/22/2022 7:05:11 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just think about the road rage when everyone drives electric and their batteries are dead


2 posted on 02/22/2022 7:06:37 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The main goal of adopting EVs is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
That's the stated goal. It's a pretext for the real goal or goals.
3 posted on 02/22/2022 7:08:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: butlerweave

If your in an emergency situation and need to go somewhere and your battery is flat I guess it sucks being you huh?


4 posted on 02/22/2022 7:09:36 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This article sounds like a lobbying effort by companies intending to sell replacement batteries to suckers who buy used EVs.


5 posted on 02/22/2022 7:10:06 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: Cboldt

The real agenda is to restrict freedom of travel


6 posted on 02/22/2022 7:11:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As California goes, so goes Communism.


7 posted on 02/22/2022 7:12:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it probably is Trudeau.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Most EVs are deployed in southern California where there is little rain, almost no snow and the roads are not salted. What happens when EVs either by choice or coercion, are widely deployed in cold winter states, those batteries wear down, show corrosion or develop small cracks. Would a rational person drive home in a winter storm, park his EV in a garage attached to his house, attach the recharger, tuck his kids in their beds and then go to sleep?


8 posted on 02/22/2022 7:19:23 AM PST by allendale
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Saw a program this morning....All Lawnmowers to be electric....no more gas. Stupid.


9 posted on 02/22/2022 7:23:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Current technology requires a vehicle be built as a hybrid gas/electric to be practical.

Battery technology is still in its infancy, once it matures a bit a pure EV will be the sensible option...

Better batteries also will mean personal transportation will start to move from roads to the air with personal craft that resemble large drones.

It's all about the batteries....we need lower weight, higher capacity, longer life and cheaper prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzhREYOK0oo&t=104s

10 posted on 02/22/2022 7:24:21 AM PST by Bobalu (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth...)
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To: Bobalu

What we need more than anything is faster recharge times.


11 posted on 02/22/2022 7:29:48 AM PST by jdege
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To: Bobalu

It’s all about the batteries“

Wrong it’s all about control. Once everyone has been forced into EV’s everyone is immobilized within days via a thrown switch. The climate hoax is all about power, control and unlimited funding for the rats and the ruling class.


12 posted on 02/22/2022 7:36:05 AM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The real goal was to reduce smog in LA and other cities. Shift emissions to power plants outside the cities. Pretty much still the thing it is doing.


13 posted on 02/22/2022 7:52:11 AM PST by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The article was looking good until this: ...reducing greenhouse gas emissions...should be the starting point of any policy discussion.

NO! That is a preposterous statement and assumption. It is the LAST thing that should be considered.

14 posted on 02/22/2022 8:37:52 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If truckers quit their jobs, society would collapse. If politicians quit their jobs...HALLELUJAH!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I think that’s going to raise the price of EVs and thus reduce sales.

The 15 year minimum doesn’t make sense to me. Aren’t the batteries depreciated by discharging and recharging, rather than the passage of time.


15 posted on 02/22/2022 8:41:24 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gotta love this crappola: “...the state is pursuing an EV policy whose tradeoffs have not yet been sufficiently evaluated”.

Gimme a flippin break! CaCaLand has never fully evaluated any policy! Neither have they ever, ever, looked back at any such to see if on balance it was good or bad. Such delusional “just do it!” is typical of liberal TWOT’s out this way.
And, the rest of the clown states just follow suit.

Anything “pioneered” by CaCaLand simply must be looked at like any sane person looks at anything from the MSM: “probably lies”.


16 posted on 02/22/2022 9:47:44 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: jdege

The Kia EV 6 can charge from 10%~80% in 18 minutes which is 200ish miles. Certainly not on par with an ICE car but, given that you start from home with a full battery, it gives you 500ish miles range for only 18 minutes charge time. Adequate for most folks I would think. The major problem is that these numbers get thrown out the window in cold weather. I don’t see a solution for this which is why I think the headlong rush to 100% EVs is beyond foolish.


17 posted on 02/22/2022 11:57:17 AM PST by pluvmantelo (CRT-Dindunuffinism with a Marxist facade)
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To: pluvmantelo
The Kia EV 6 can charge from 10%~80% in 18 minutes which is 200ish miles.

One of the problems here, is that fast-charging depletes the life of batteries. So the state government's request that batteries maintain 80% life over 15 years will not happen with existing batteries. It's doubtful they'll maintain 80% over 10 years. Currently, most EV manufacturers promise 70% life over 8 to 10 years. Guess what; with regular fast-charging you won't have over 70% life within 10 years.

Best way to achieve over 80% life is to do slow-charging. That is not pushed by the EV sellers, but should be.

18 posted on 02/22/2022 12:10:54 PM PST by roadcat
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