“Well, I'm an AmericaFirster Trumplican, so my viewpoint would be that we'd gain a good ally in NATO. That's what's in it for us. We'd get someone who needs NATO to stand up to Russian bullying just like Sudetenland needed sumthin like that when Hitler was bullying them — if we had not employed the policy of appeasement there coulda been 150 million lives saved.”
“…if we had not employed the policy of appeasement there coulda been 150 million lives saved. Maybe we'd be saving 150 million more.
Then Kevmo says:
***You wanna appease the bear, and we already did that & 150 million lives were lost.
Can you please give any sort of confirmation of US appeasement leading to 150 million murders?
***It was EuroPEAN appeasement. World War 2, which would have been avoided if we had handled Sudetenland properly.
You keep throwing that number around and it has no basis.
***WW2. Sudetenland. Hitler. Appeasement. 150M dead.
There were roughly 60 million World War 2 casualties resulting in death which at the time was more than 2.5% of the overall world population.
http://www.worldwar2facts.org/world-war-2-casualties.html
That total casualties number includes the Japanese-related deaths. The US and the world did not appease Japan and the US did not appease Germany, leading up to WW 2. You also seem to have greatly inflated death numbers and an inability to separate the US from your collective “We.”
NATO did not exist until years after WW 2. NATO and the US did not appease Germany or Russia through the Cold War years, which had activities along the lines of what you want done with the Russia and Ukraine conflict.
You believe it is a Trump-supported position to go against Russia with Ukraine, despite no evidence.
In short, no one could begin to determine what is truth with any of your words, when so many have absolutely no basis in fact.
What is your position on UFOs or ants controlling our minds? Perhaps that answer would shed light on where your mind is.
I’m okay with Wikipedia as the starting point.
70,000,000 to 85,000,000 dead from WW2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#:~:text=An%20estimated%20total%20of%2070,war%2Drelated%20disease%20and%20famine.
So 150M is an exaggeration. Maybe.
Do YOU accept it was 70 to 85M that died due to ww2? The whole thing coulda been avoided if we had not appeased Hitler. Japan would never have directly attacked the US if Europe wasn’t fighting.
You also seem to ... an inability to separate the US from your collective “We.”
***Well, WE as a global community lost tens of millions due to Hitler going on a rampage in WW2 due to the nonsense appeasement approach towards him. We as a community of people opposed to fascism lost tens of millions. We as the USA lost only a few million. That takes a lot longer to write than just “WE”. You want that level of hyperaccuracy then eventually it will be required of YOU.
NATO did not exist until years after WW 2.
***History existed before NATO. Learn from history.
NATO and the US did not appease Germany or Russia through the Cold War years,
***Europe sure as hell did.
which had activities along the lines of what you want done with the Russia and Ukraine conflict.
***Well now, let’s have YOU be superduper accurate in your writing along THESE lines, since you are conceding my point that there were “activities along these lines” and those activities included appeasement of a local bully. Go ahead, we’re waiting.
You believe it is a Trump-supported position to go against Russia with Ukraine, despite no evidence.
***Trump was basically an isolationist and he thought Europe wasn’t paying their dues with NATO. He would probably not have engaged in appeasing Putin because... he’s so much smarter than that and this appeasement thing is what Europe is doing while Biden is trying to use the conflict as a wag the dog scenario. Trump would have no problem with allowing a dues-paying member to join NATO to counteract the local bullying of Putin, which is why PUtin was quiet when Trump was in power.
In short, no one could begin to determine what is truth with any of your words,
***You have such a high standard for others, throwing out ALL they write [”any of your words”] that I look forward to you applying this standard to yourself.
when so many have absolutely no basis in fact.
***You found ONE exaggeration. It has a basis in fact: The democide counters say “Moreover, even the toll of war itself is not well understood” with their obvious pointers to tens of millions MORE killed than the official tally.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHARNY.CHAP.HTM
What is your position on UFOs
***Why bring up this whataboutism? You wanna have that discussion? I’ll be glad to post it, since I wrote a book about it.
or ants controlling our minds?
***I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords.
Perhaps that answer would shed light on where your mind is.
***I think you’re just lookin’ for excuses to be petulant.