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Full self driving clips Show Teslas on train tracks and fighting for control. Experts see deep flaws.
Stamford Advocate ^ | 2/10/2022 | Faiz Siddiqui and Reed Albergotti

Posted on 02/10/2022 1:39:48 PM PST by SaxxonWoods

SAN FRANCISCO - In one clip, a Tesla tries to drive down some light-rail tracks. In another, a Tesla fails to stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk. And at one point, the most advanced driver-assistance product available to consumers appears to slam into a bike lane bollard at 11 mph.

Each of these moments - captured on video by a Tesla owner and posted online - reveals a fundamental weakness in Tesla's Full Self-Driving technology, according to a panel of experts assembled by The Washington Post and asked to examine the videos. These are problems with no easy fix, the experts said, where patching one issue might introduce new complications, or where the nearly infinite array of possible real-life scenarios is simply too much for Tesla's algorithms to master.

The footage includes a scene in which a driver appears to be fighting for control with the advanced driver-assistance software, as well as clips showing cars failing to properly interpret critical road markings and signs and ordinary pedestrian behavior.

(Excerpt) Read more at stamfordadvocate.com ...


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I posted this because the videos are entertaining. Just growing pains as they try to perfect the concept.

Needs a little work.

1 posted on 02/10/2022 1:39:48 PM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: SaxxonWoods

In the mean time I hear people are getting killed in these cars while in autonomous mode....you know anything about that?


2 posted on 02/10/2022 1:45:16 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I was optimistic about self driving cars a few years ago, but it seems just as far from reality now as it does then.

Machine learning and neutral nets are useful, but we don’t yet have the tool set to solve this problem.


3 posted on 02/10/2022 1:47:12 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: SaxxonWoods

One of the biggest issues has to do with people on sidewalks. You can see someone on the side, like at a bus stop, who don’t cause a threat. But then there is a small child, a dog off leash or a ball that comes toward the street. You know this could be a dangerous situation. But your car does not. To your car it is the same as the bus stop.


4 posted on 02/10/2022 1:49:43 PM PST by poinq
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To: V_TWIN

Yes, I don’t know numbers but it has happened. One took place when the car didn’t recognize a tractor trailer sideways in the road.


5 posted on 02/10/2022 1:49:56 PM PST by SaxxonWoods ("If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself." - Minquass)
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But it’s got a fart button so it’s worth the risk of death.


6 posted on 02/10/2022 1:50:14 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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“One of the biggest issues has to do with people on sidewalks.”

That almost happens in one of the videos.


7 posted on 02/10/2022 1:52:50 PM PST by SaxxonWoods ("If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself." - Minquass)
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To: SaxxonWoods
It’s just a SMOP.

(simple matter of programming)

8 posted on 02/10/2022 1:54:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If truckers quit their jobs, society would collapse. If politicians quit their jobs...HALLELUJAH!)
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People have gotten themselves in every kind of car ever built.

My truck is old but I turned all the ‘lane-mitigation’ etc. idiocy off in the wife’s newer car. We drive some 2-lane windy roads and it doesn’t like those. It also sometimes thinks car coming around bends toward me are going to hit me.


9 posted on 02/10/2022 1:57:16 PM PST by SaxxonWoods ("If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself." - Minquass)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Not me.. I won’t ever get one of these lemons!


10 posted on 02/10/2022 1:57:59 PM PST by tallyhoe
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“The car didn’t recognize a tractor trailer sideways in the road”

Wow, how are these vehicles still on the road.

Musk can put together a team that can build a rocket booster that can return to earth in one piece (amazing BTW) but these problems with the cars?

Scary

Killed 2 in this story:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/18/no-one-was-driving-in-tesla-crash-that-killed-two-men-in-spring-texas-report.html


11 posted on 02/10/2022 1:59:31 PM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: SaxxonWoods

You’ve gotta be nuts to think a car can drive itself.


12 posted on 02/10/2022 2:00:24 PM PST by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.p)
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To: SaxxonWoods

To you and all who know a lot more than I do about all this:
In my city there is one self-driving car company that has been apparently testing a couple of cars. They go to a moderately busy street, wait for the left lane stoplight to turn green, turn down the residential street and circle back (the part Jen likes) to the same starting point. Goes on all day long. A man sits in the car watching things. Says self-driving on the sides and a company name.

My question: Is going the same place all day long week after week teaching something?

It reminds me of a former coworker whose husband was a professional pilot. To gain air miles he took the weekend job of dragging a banner over a football stadium, around and around, each minute adding some flight experience. I heard they don’t count that any more but not sure.


13 posted on 02/10/2022 2:00:41 PM PST by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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Clue:

If you can’t train humans how to drive, what makes anyone
think we’ll train cars to do it?

They are touting a massive reduction in traffic deaths and
insurance claims.

Anyone remember this one? Just two weeks to slow the curve...

Someone has something to sell.

I’m not buying it.


14 posted on 02/10/2022 2:04:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegience to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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Nothing can go wr....

Nothing can go wr....

Nothing can go wr....

15 posted on 02/10/2022 2:06:46 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: SaxxonWoods

This is somewhat misleading because the video says the people in the video with the snafus are testing a BETA version of the sw.


16 posted on 02/10/2022 2:10:58 PM PST by BiglyCommentary
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Musk can put together a team that can build a rocket booster that can return to earth in one piece (amazing BTW) but these problems with the cars?

I don't think Musk ever advertised it as a "Set it and forget" type system. It still requires someone paying attention and at the ready to correct for mistakes.

17 posted on 02/10/2022 2:13:10 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Self driving cars will be government driven cars.


18 posted on 02/10/2022 2:15:00 PM PST by coaster123
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In the mean time I hear people are getting killed in these cars while in autonomous mode....you know anything about that?


Yes, Darwin had a term for that; natural selection.
19 posted on 02/10/2022 2:16:05 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Fifteen days to slow the curve! Just fifteen days!)
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To: IYAS9YAS

When Tesla went “all in” on a camera only system, they took on a huge challenge. Will be interesting to see if they ever get there.


20 posted on 02/10/2022 2:19:28 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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