Posted on 02/09/2022 9:13:00 AM PST by SpeedyInTexas
In a January 28 interview with the Russian media about the Ukraine crisis, Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said, “if it depends on the Russian Federation, there will not be a war.” He also suggested that there were “kernels of rationality” in the formal responses to Russia’s demands that the United States and NATO had delivered a few days earlier. To some Western commentators, Lavrov’s comments were a hopeful sign that the Kremlin had achieved its intermediate aims and might be shifting course. According to this analysis, Russian President Vladimir Putin had the West exactly where he wanted it: by moving more than a hundred thousand troops to the Ukrainian border and issuing an ultimatum, he had forced the United States and NATO to enter into a dialogue with Moscow. All along, then, the Russian government had been acting with calculated brinksmanship, pursuing an approach that has left the United States and its NATO allies with few choices other than to negotiate on an equal footing.
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The point is not just the Ukraine. The point is for Russia to attack Ukraine and China to attack Taiwan. That way they both get what they want and we do not have time to split between the two.
Just FYI - Foreign Affairs Magazine is the main publication of the Council of Foreign Relations - the globalist, oligarch, progressive think tank started by Woodrow Wilson to implement his “internationalist” vision.
We don’t have to split. We aren’t going to fight Russia. We supply arms and let the Ukrainians fight. Ukraine has a population of 44 million. There isn’t a shortage of men to fight.
What is the article do you disagree with?
“What is the article do you disagree with?”
What in the article do you disagree with?
You are throwing the dice when you start a war.
You can have lots of information from your spies, but you won’t know everything.
You are throwing the dice when you start a war, and they might come up snake eyes.
Exhale, Speedy. Ukrainians don’t want to fight. Germany and France are forcing them to finally implement the Minsk agreements, which is about to end the conflict for good. Even Blinken seems like about to accept it, currently bargaining about the sequence of points to get implemented.
Putin isn’t going to attack.
Yet.
He’s just probing and learning for now.
Its like—Russia and Red China are in Cahoots or something. No, Putin is acting very 19th Century and building up alliances. You might call it an Axis. China, Russia, Syria, Cuba (both Russian Client States) North Korea, Iran, and Belarus. Add a few others like Serbia, and you have an impressive power block. All want something—and they may get their desires with Biden in charge. My only worry is if they overreach like Hitler did in Poland. Russia wants Ukraine, China wants Taiwan. Syria wants the Turks out of her borders, Iran wants to expand into southern Iraq. We are in for a wild ride, my friends.
And this is a precisely the goal of DC ruining this provocation operation in Ukraine. They want to bring Russia under the control of the globalist crowd, the bankers, the WEF. The goal is to start some sort of war that destabilizes Putin and allows them to launch the final color Revolution. Russia has a 19% debt to GDP ratio compared to ours at 130%. Their maximum tax rate or an individual is 12%. Their Central Bank is owned by the government and the globalist cannot get their hands on it. That’s why we are pushing this war.
From day 1 this has all been absurd.
1) Russia has the gas and oil. There are fewer and fewer other places to get it. LNG costs 5X more than pipelined gas and Russia is selling pipelined gas.
2) When it transits Ukraine, they have proven themselves willing to steal it. Tap it, not forward it, and not pay for it.
3) Nordstream II is gas into Europe that does not have to transit Ukraine. Europe needs it. The LNG option is much much more expensive.
4) The number 1 LNG exporter is oddly Australia, with Qatar close 2nd. The US LNG exports can happen, but not ever ever ever cheaper than pipeline gas.
5) Russia had interest in Crimea because the population is overwhelmingly ethnic Russian. Those people chose to join Russia. The Donbass are substantially ethnic Russian. They have coal. Russia doesn’t need it.
6) In the whole country of Ukraine, that coal in the east is their only significant asset. But the hyper green EU and US can’t possibly let that narrative get out . . . that they are defending the only coal containing area of Ukraine. Russia has no interest in Kiev or the west. They are just a burden for aid.
So . . . it’s all absurd. As that German admiral pointed out. It’s nonsense to think Russia wants a worthless strip of territory.
Close - Russia doesn't have to attack - all they have to do is sit there while idiots running the Pentagon allow themselves to be spread too thin. Then when China moves on Taiwan 'it's too risky' to defend Taiwan and we go begging for computer chips for the next 5 years
That's a win for China AND Russia. Our foolish brass will return to the US to monitor soldier's thoughts about sexual weirdos... and political persuasions. Oh, and WOKE brass will still want to buy more arms with taxpayers money so they can get cushy jobs after retirement - even if they cut and ran in Afghanistan - and wasted billions on the Ukraine stunt and lost Taiwan. Three more Biden 'screw ups'...
And Russia? After a few months and a total win for China, they say the militarily exercise is over - and leave.
Wow, I did not know foreign policy ran on wishful thinking.
With the covid Nazism going on in Europe, Putin, like Hitler, would probably be seen as a liberator of Western Europe at this point….
But the perestroika deception never existed….
Everybody can get whipped up with patriotic fervor going into a war (especially Russians), but if the fighting drags on (as it already has in the Ukraine, since 2014), eventually the mood sours.
The Ukraine is a much bigger fight to bite off, than Chechnya was (30 times the population). The Ukrainians have the weapons to much more seriously attrit high cost combat platforms like armored vehicles, planes and helicopters.
It could be like Napoleon entering Moscow - a Pyrrhic victory, that only marks the beginning of a long bleeding.
Close - Russia doesn't have to attack - all they have to do is sit there while idiots running the Pentagon allow themselves to be spread too thin. No, we can't win wars on two fronts anymore. Then when China moves on Taiwan 'it's too risky' to defend Taiwan and we go begging for computer chips for the next 5 years.
That's a win for China AND Russia. Our foolish brass will return to the US to monitor soldier's thoughts about sexual weirdos... and political persuasions. Oh, and WOKE brass will still want to buy more arms with taxpayers money so they can get cushy jobs after retirement - even if they cut and ran in Afghanistan - and wasted billions on the Ukraine stunt and lost Taiwan. Three more Biden 'screw ups'...
And Russia? After a few months and a total win for China, they say the militarily exercise is over - and leave.
It's better than Viagra for you, isn't it, Speedy?
How Americans do you want Biden to send to Ukraine and potentially die, Speedy? Why do you keep beating the war drums?
If these reports are true, there may be important cracks developing inside Russia we aren't seeing and the escalation may have as much to do with Russia's internal politics as with foreign relations. Putin's internal support might be weaker than he thought or he may be using this as a way of flushing out opponents.
In any case, the internal politicking makes the whole gambit even more unstable and dangerous than anyone thinks.
How long have the Ruskie troops been sitting at a border on the frozen tundra?
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