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Trump, hurdles loom for Senate election reform talks
The Hill ^ | 02/06/22 06:00 AM EST | BY JORDAIN CARNEY

Posted on 02/06/2022 12:20:39 PM PST by RandFan

Former President Trump's criticism of efforts to change an arcane election law are adding new urgency — and uncertainty — into bipartisan negotiations in the Senate.

Trump isn’t the only potential hurdle looming on the horizon for hopes of a deal on changing the Electoral Count Act, a 135-year-old law that lays out how the Electoral College results are counted. In addition to the bipartisan talks, a group of Democrats unveiled a “discussion draft” of their own proposal and senators are already mulling potential things they would want to add into any deal.

But Trump’s decision to revive his criticism of former Vice President Mike Pence over his refusal to unilaterally throw out election results in states Trump lost, while also flirting with a 2024 run, is putting him at odds with the Senate negotiations.

“The statements that President Trump put out on the Electoral Count Act only underscores the need for us to remove any ambiguity that exists in the act, which is poorly drafted and has not been revised since it was passed in 1887,” said GOP Sen. Susan Collins (Maine), who was mocked by Trump as “Wacky Susan Collins.”

The bipartisan group, led by Collins and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), is still in its early stages after setting up five subgroups that would develop pieces of a proposal: Reforming the 1887 Electoral Count Act; protecting election workers; voting practices and rights; the election assistance commission; and presidential transitions.

Trump also claimed in multiple statements that the ongoing discussions about changes to the 1887 law aligned with his belief that Pence “could have sent the votes back to various legislators for reassessment after so much fraud and irregularities were found” — an argument rejected by many GOP senators.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fraud; voterfraud
KEEP AN EYE ON THIS FREEPERS..

The Uniparty are trying to come up with something awful!

1 posted on 02/06/2022 12:20:39 PM PST by RandFan
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To: RandFan

GOP scoundrels are working with their counterparts


2 posted on 02/06/2022 12:24:42 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

Correct.

And it’s a plan to stop Donald.

Make no mistake.


3 posted on 02/06/2022 12:26:42 PM PST by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Bush League Republicans exist to assist the Democrats.

Keep re-electing them and we will lose our country.


4 posted on 02/06/2022 12:35:14 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: RandFan

Partner, you are on the target,

These idiot Rinos do not know any better and they are wrong since we know that Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan who was the greatest ever.

The Elections of today are the biggest problem and the DemonRats want this Covid to go on forever and it only gets 99.6 % of the children.

The mailing out of ballots do not work for anybody and it is outright cheating by the DemonRats. How can you have more votes than the people who actually live in that state???

The next election we will see red all over the country.

The folks know what is going on with the rats.

5 posted on 02/06/2022 12:43:37 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business)
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To: RandFan

41 pubs just need to keep their nose out of it and vote NO.


6 posted on 02/06/2022 12:52:38 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: RandFan

The dems will use it as a backdoor way to pass their federal takover of elections.


7 posted on 02/06/2022 1:04:24 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: RandFan

Honestly, you are crazy. If you allow the VP and senate to negate state’s electors, it is going to be democrats who actually do it. It can never be allowed, for either side, for the federal govt to disenfranchise a states’ electors.


8 posted on 02/06/2022 1:10:53 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: RandFan
Re: "The bipartisan group, led by Collins and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), is still in its early stages after setting up five subgroups that would develop pieces of a proposal: Reforming the 1887 Electoral Count Act; protecting election workers; voting practices and rights; the election assistance commission; and presidential transitions."

Isn't this the same Federal Election Reform Act we just barely stopped a couple weeks ago?

Mon Dieu!

9 posted on 02/06/2022 1:22:13 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: RandFan
Whatever it is, I'm against it.


10 posted on 02/06/2022 2:42:25 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Buck Foe Jiden!I)
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To: Wayne07

The thing you seem to be missing is nobody claimed the VP could negate an election. But there is no requirement this side of the seventh step of hades that says a VEEP or anyone else has to vote to accept an election result that is questionable. And in the case of the 2020 election there was/is ample evidence that at least five states did not comply with their own election law. A simple example is AZ failing to print the ballots on legal paper-—known at the time. All we and Trump ask Pencer to do was send the certifications back for a two week delay/review. Getting it right is totally constitutional.

Let’s watch this week to see what Wisconsin does with their crooked election. Recalling electors is in the cards and is all Trump ever asked for——totally flipping constitutional and something Pence had the means to do.


11 posted on 02/06/2022 3:14:38 PM PST by OldWarBaby
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To: OldWarBaby
"VEEP or anyone else has to vote to accept an election result that is questionable."

There is no place for the VP to decide whether a states election's are valid. It is up to the state to figure it out, and the federal govern can piss off. If the state legislature wants to overturn the vote, fine. Not the feds.

12 posted on 02/06/2022 3:59:08 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: Wayne07

There is no place for the VP to decide whether a states election’s are valid. It is up to the state to figure it out, and the federal govern can piss off. If the state legislature wants to overturn the vote, fine. Not the feds.


Really, so suppose the Feds ran a sting operation in, say, MS. Suppose further, they find that all votes by black folks have been switched to the opposing party. Finally, suppose, they have irrefutable evidence of the fraud.

Suppose they pass this info on to the Executive Branch. Your premise at this point falls apart as the straw man it is.


13 posted on 02/06/2022 4:05:29 PM PST by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: Wayne07
Really? You completely misunderstand how the electoral college works.

I've got a better idea. How about the South secedes again, and leaves the craphole commie states (you live in one, don't you?) to their own devices?

14 posted on 02/06/2022 4:11:34 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (HONK HONK, Clown World! Let the CONVOYS roll!)
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To: OldWarBaby
The thing you seem to be missing is nobody claimed the VP could negate an election.

Exactly right. The argument that Pence could have/should have overturned an election is a straw-man argument.

What he should have done is play his Constitutional role in the process of determining what the outcome of the election was.

Of course the Democrats and the Uni-party Republicans argue from their assumption that Biden won. This we now know was not true.

15 posted on 02/06/2022 4:28:01 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: nesnah
*Suppose they pass this info on to the Executive Branch.*

Suppose they did? What happens next in your fantasy? VP rides down on a white horse and does a manual recount?

16 posted on 02/06/2022 4:57:05 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: backwoods-engineer

States choose their own electors, period. If there is fraud, it has to be settled at the state level. If you want different rules you just invite corrupt California and New York to disenfranchise red states. I live in Texas, BTW, and would be OK with secession. What I’m worried about is dumb backwoods talk radio wannabe intellectuals who can’t think two steps ahead. The classic dumb move is to halfheartedly try to steal an election, fail, and totally setup the other side to actually execute it.


17 posted on 02/06/2022 5:03:17 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: backwoods-engineer

Only if you promise to take Virginia with you

Just kidding - the South, along with certain sections of the Midwest and the Rocky Mountains, is one of the few remaining bastions of constitutional sanity left in the United States

actually if The South, with its low tax structures (and no state taxes in Texas and Florida) were actually allowed to secede, we would most likely witness the greatest flight of capital, investment, and migrants to a new nation since the decades after the greatest nation in world history was born. (that’s the United States, BTW, for the America haters)


18 posted on 02/07/2022 1:17:49 PM PST by Old West Conservative
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