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1 posted on 02/02/2022 11:32:25 PM PST by McGruff
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The reason the Europeans are talking about this is because of Joe Biden’s Afghanistan disaster, erratic behavior, and declining cognition.

The thought of their fate riding on that meat puppet scares the hell out of them. Now the grifting Eurotrash sit there with no military, totally dependent on Russian energy, and an American public that wants to tell them to pound sand.

Schadenfreude.


2 posted on 02/02/2022 11:54:46 PM PST by WMarshal ("No war for communism")
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I’m more interested in figure skating at this year’s Olympics.


3 posted on 02/03/2022 12:11:09 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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The EU has grown into a global economic powerhouse, but never developed security and defense clout to match.

Looks like Ass Press has caught up to what we retrograde knuckle-dragging Neanderthals have been saying for, oh I don't know, the last 40 years? It was a sweet deal for social spending but it depended on the United States being capable of enough leadership to make deterrence credible. What we have now is a ruling class full of thumb-sucking cretins headed by a fool who craps his pants on a regular basis. If I were European I'd be looking at this mess with horror too.

4 posted on 02/03/2022 12:19:47 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Scarred by losing tens of millions of lives on their soil in two world wars, many European Union nations have been wary ever since about military spending.

What a bizarre, illogical attitude!

So, Poland - attacked on two sides and torn apart in the last war - should be "wary" of spending too much for defense?

Laughable!

Regards,

6 posted on 02/03/2022 12:44:59 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Scarred by losing tens of millions of lives on their soil in two world wars, many European Union nations have been wary ever since about military spending. Now, as Russian pressure builds at the Ukrainian border, they face a painful reality: Europe remains heavily reliant on U.S. might to deter another potentially big conflict on its turf.

Makes it sound like the U.S. sat out WW1&2.


13 posted on 02/03/2022 2:42:38 AM PST by Flick Lives (The CDC. Brought to you by Pfizer.)
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"Even today, 15 years after committing toward spending 2% of gross domestic product on defense, 13 European NATO members still don’t make the grade. Last year, major nations — like Spain with 1.02%, Italy with 1.41%, and Germany with 1.53% — still fell well short."
14 posted on 02/03/2022 3:14:00 AM PST by tlozo
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This has been obvious for decades. Its not just that the Yurps have no balls - which they don’t. It is also that the Yurps are addicted to socialism. All that socialism has sucked up all the money and left none for national defense.

Some of them like Germany are animated not only by a distinct lack of testicles and by their greedy government needing ever more money because of all the socialism but also by a massive case of butt-hurt towards the greatest benefactor their country has ever had, the USA. That pettiness combined with their ridiculous Gaia Worship has caused them to make themselves completely dependent on Russia for their energy needs.

Its the same pettiness as well as greed for more cash to lavish on the socialism at home that causes them to go out of their way to do business with tyrannical regimes like Cuba, Iran, Iraq under Saddam, etc as soon as the US sanctions them.

Thus they have zero diplomatic leverage. They are too militarily weak and too greedy for anybody to take them seriously in diplomatic terms.


15 posted on 02/03/2022 3:56:00 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To quote Robert Gates, “Biden has been wrong on every major foreign policy decision in last 4 decades”

Now Europe & the rest of NATO may just reap the whirlwind that Biden creates.
I worry that Dimjo is going to escalate what should be a minor Eastern European problem into World War 3.


16 posted on 02/03/2022 3:57:00 AM PST by Tupelo (“Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*ck things up” (Barack Obama))
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Scarred by losing tens of millions of lives on their soil in two world wars, many European Union nations have been wary ever since about military spending.

That sentence alone shows their ignorance. Losing 10s of millions of lives in two wars is why you should have a massive military for deterennce.


19 posted on 02/03/2022 4:15:43 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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Why defend yourselves. Let those stupid Americans do it for you.
20 posted on 02/03/2022 4:17:14 AM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

If AP hates him, HE MUST BE GOOD!!!


22 posted on 02/03/2022 4:24:28 AM PST by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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didnt trump try to warn them a few years back that hey need to step up more ?¿


24 posted on 02/03/2022 4:46:39 AM PST by ßuddaßudd ((>> ☼ << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if s/he's white?")
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This article could be summarized in one word: socialism. Strangely, that word never appears one time in leftist articles about the woes of socialism.


30 posted on 02/03/2022 5:21:31 AM PST by Reeses
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After the United States was decisive in winning both world wars and then developed a nuclear arsenal to face the Soviet Union, relying on Washington became a political no-brainer for Europe.

It's not that simple: both France and the UK maintained large militaries after WWII. In the Suez Crisis both decided to act in their own interests against Nasser's government in Egypt. We completely undercut their efforts and forced them to withdraw. Allowing Nasser's government to stay in power was a disaster, promoted Arab radicalism and the fascist Baath takeovers of Syria and Iraq, and led Egypt and the Soviet Union to support the FLN's attacks and the eventual loss of Algeria.

No European country is going to maintain a large military if the US insists that they cannot act in their own defense with it.

Virtue signaling "anti-colonialist" elites in the US led to the European abandonment of military forces, and to allowing the Communist takeover of Cuba.

It's not just the Europeans who have dreamt of world peace being brought in on unicorns ridden by leprechauns.

31 posted on 02/03/2022 5:41:24 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Europe isn’t

the Future is East of Suez

Europe simply no longer matters


32 posted on 02/03/2022 5:43:32 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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Nonsense. First of all there's no (except geographic name ofc) such thing as Europe. There are dozens of (mostly small) countries.

“After an equally brutal World War II left an estimated 36.5 million Europeans dead, it was clear things had to drastically change.”

Nonsense again. Vast majority of them were from Central and Easter Europe and WW1 ended over a 100 years ago.

In late 80’s Western Germany had 5000 tanks, Easter Germany had 2700 tanks. Now united Germany has 235 tanks. Although the quantity and quality of tanks is not one of the very key indicators of military strength anymore, it still matters and these figures are quite telling.

Eastern flank NATO countries are simply too small / still too poor to actually “do something”, while most of western Europe simply do not give a fuck - come on (man) it's far away - the only exception is Germany, they clearly pay attention... thinking how to make a profit out of it.

Anyway, It's not a military conflict between Russia and the “collective west”, quite likely it won't even turn into a military conflict between Russia and Ukraine. It's a power struggle between several players. If only US and/or Germany wanted to stop it, they could (threaten to) ruin Russia financially. But that's a double edge sword. It's simply cheaper to play it risking lives of Ukrainians instead of risking profits.

BTW The main “logic” behind this shitty article is “EU needs a common military”. It seems the globalists will be pimping the “European army” based on this crisis.

35 posted on 02/03/2022 10:57:31 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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Europe will always be there for the US, when she needs them.


47 posted on 02/05/2022 12:33:13 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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