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EU wants to allow natural gas, nuclear in green investment
The Associated Press ^ | February 2, 2022 | By SAMUEL PETREQUIN

Posted on 02/02/2022 6:08:16 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union on Wednesday proposed including nuclear energy and natural gas in its plans for building a climate-friendly future, dividing member countries and drawing outcry from environmentalists as “greenwashing.”

The plan will please the EU’s two most powerful nations: France is reliant on nuclear power, which raises concerns about its long-term impact on the environment, and Germany depends on gas, a fossil fuel many consider a bridge to renewables.

Critics call it a big blow to climate goals.

“This anti-science plan represents the biggest greenwashing exercise of all time. It makes a mockery of the EU’s claims to global leadership on climate and the environment,” Greenpeace EU sustainable finance campaigner Ariadna Rodrigo said.

Protesters from the Avaaz network wore masks of European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz as they posed in front of a tombstone reading, “RIP EU Green Deal. Killed by Gas and Nuclear.”

“What is happening today is the commission are labeling gas and nuclear as green energy, and in doing so, they are going to be channeling billions of euros away from renewables and towards dirty climate projects,” activist Sam Ryan said.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: energy; europe; globalwarming; hoax; naturalgas; nuclear; propaganda; socialism

1 posted on 02/02/2022 6:08:16 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We got the natural gas-can we sell it?


2 posted on 02/02/2022 6:10:26 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"We got the natural gas-can we sell it?"

Not with a Dim in the White House.

3 posted on 02/02/2022 6:13:39 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A nod to reality by the EU. The joke is redefining gas as “green”. 😅 Nuclear of course has always been green but the leftwingers don’t want it for other reasons.


4 posted on 02/02/2022 6:24:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Tell It Right

We are exporting all the LNG we can, but it isn’t all going to Europe.


5 posted on 02/02/2022 6:26:26 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that in the past year Brandon put limitations on getting natural gas from the ground (i.e. harder to get fracking permits, new regulation against methane) and thus we have less natural gas supply to sell, some say not enough to use ourselves.

So we may be technically still selling some LNG, but for all practical purposes our LNG exports are way down. At least, that's what I've heard.

6 posted on 02/02/2022 6:32:12 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This comes after Germany permanently closed their nuclear power plants.


7 posted on 02/02/2022 6:32:25 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clinton's )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“A low-carbon alternative to fossil fuels, nuclear energy represented around 26% of the electricity produced in the bloc in 2019.”

More lies from the media.

The last time I checked, nuclear power plants, when in operation produce EXACTLY the same amount of carbon dioxide when in operation as solar/wind - which is ZERO.

As to whether any source is zero carbon, sorry, nope. Everything needs to be built from raw materials, and I suspect that nuclear uses far less carbon to produce a kilowatt hour of electricity (after including up front costs) than solar/wind - not even close.


8 posted on 02/02/2022 6:48:27 AM PST by BobL (Money is the most important thing in my life.)
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To: BobL
"More lies from the media."

Yep.

AP = Always Propaganda

9 posted on 02/02/2022 7:05:55 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“This anti-science plan represents the biggest greenwashing exercise of all time. It makes a mockery of the EU’s claims to global leadership on climate and the environment,” Greenpeace EU sustainable finance campaigner Ariadna Rodrigo said.

“What is happening today is the commission are labeling gas and nuclear as green energy, and in doing so, they are going to be channeling billions of euros away from renewables and towards dirty climate projects,” activist Sam Ryan said.

With opposition like this from the Environmental Wackos it must be a good idea.

10 posted on 02/02/2022 7:12:46 AM PST by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Come on, say it with me: “HOW DARE YOU!”


11 posted on 02/02/2022 8:29:17 AM PST by FrankRizzo890
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To: hinckley buzzard

“A nod to reality by the EU”

Well this new definition of “clean” energy only really helps Germany and France.

The other 25 states are not so happy.

The EU, much like NATO, is split on so many matters just when they need one voice.


12 posted on 02/02/2022 8:45:24 AM PST by LordOddsocks
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To: LordOddsocks

EU has always had fault lines based on national interests, subordinated when times are good but always there under the surface. The green craziness has caused some real disarray because the economic stakes are far higher than “carbon footprints.”


13 posted on 02/02/2022 9:12:12 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Tell It Right

US is the third largest LNG exporter. New facilities are being built in Louisiana which by the end of of this year are scheduled to make us the world’s leading LNG exporter. Yes Biden is causing trouble with stupid actions to limit exploration and drilling, holding up pipelines etc, but then his whole energy agenda is incoherent so…make of it what one will.


14 posted on 02/02/2022 9:16:55 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: BobL

Ask any ye shall receive

https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-electricity.aspx

“On a life-cycle basis, nuclear power emits just a few grams of CO2 equivalent per kWh of electricity produced. A median value of 12g CO2 equivalent/kWh has been estimated for nuclear, similar to wind, and lower than all types of solar. The majority of CO2 emissions from the life-cycle of nuclear power stem from cement and steel production, and component manufacturing during construction.”


15 posted on 02/02/2022 10:08:06 AM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas

“Ask any ye shall receive”

Thanks. I’ve toured nuke plants before and when you see 2” rebar and 5 foot concrete (at least) wall sections, it obviously takes a lot to build them and there will be a carbon footprint from doing it.

Having said that, the amount of power (energy) they produce in their lifetime is HUGE and there is virtually no footprint involved with fuel acquisition.

So, in the end I’m not surprised by your numbers!


16 posted on 02/02/2022 4:13:34 PM PST by BobL (Money is the most important thing in my life.)
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Nuclear power is the safest form of bulk energy in the world and is absolutely necessary to have 8+ billion humans have anything close to a middle class energy consumption rate.

https://www.engineering.com/story/whats-the-death-toll-of-nuclear-vs-other-energy-sources

There is plenty of uranium and even without going to gen 4 fast spectrum reactors the fuel costs of uranium vs tne amounts of energy produced is less than 5% of the LCOE in gen 2 & 3 reactors even if fuel costs quadrupled which would put seawater uranium in economic use the total cost of power would only go up under 20% less if you reprocess spent fuel and recycle the fissile materials in that fuel which is still 96% fuel when you take it out of the reactors as spent fuel.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/07/01/uranium-seawater-extraction-makes-nuclear-power-completely-renewable/


17 posted on 02/02/2022 11:12:20 PM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: hinckley buzzard

Already happened USA is number ome LNG exporter last month.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/05/energy/us-lng-exports/index.html


18 posted on 02/02/2022 11:36:37 PM PST by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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