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Germany blocks NATO ally Estonia from giving military support to Ukraine as it faces a possible Russian invasion: report
Isider via yahoo ^ | January 21, 2022 | John Haltiwanger

Posted on 01/23/2022 1:26:43 PM PST by RomanSoldier19

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To: ought-six

yes,
a division of eastern europe...with Russia retaking Ukraine (the breadbasket, food supplier for Russia... plus sea ports and a defensive depth against Turkish aggression)

with Germany ruling the roost over most of the rest of eastern Europe

funny, tho, I missed hearing the public announcement?
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21 posted on 01/23/2022 2:20:03 PM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They’re excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: RomanSoldier19

Many conservatives and conservative sites, are so justifiably angry with how far left, how corporatist, and truly fascist our own leftists have become across our government and society, they are embracing the Moscow/Beijing efforts and leaders who helped push the takeover by leftist in America, over the past generation.

I saw some wise discussion earlier today, about how many conservatives across America today have become so dystopian, have lost, or never had enough context, and in many cases their news sites have become pro Putin mouthpieces.

In actual policy, the left in America have actually worked to strengthen Putin’s hand at every turn since Clinton, even while simultaneously “media acting/media masking” theie own actual pro-Moscow/pro-Beijing positions, as the Psyop was to serve the purpose of damaging Trump, who Putin and Xi wanted gone!

We also have other assets in the region which could and would stop Moscow, but Biden is literally not in control of any of it on our side of the pond.

Just like the Pentagon chiefs took control of our strategic and conventional forces from Trump, Biden is literally not calling the shots.

This is a huge and terminal Constitutional problem for the US at multiple levels.

But again, damaging or wrecking the Constitution is a lifelong dream of the left, so it’s all good.

Also, there is simply no plan for Ukraine in NATO. In fact, NATO has turned Ukraine down several times, and has let Ukraine know this is not in their future.

Ironically, even while we knew Putin and three others were actually calling the shots behind the scenes - and Yeltsin was a puppet, Clinton offered Moscow itself admittance to NATO, but Yeltsin (Putin) would not accept, as we would not accept Moscow’s counter proposal, establishing Russian leadership of NATO.

It has religiously remained a strategic hard line decision by NATO, not to allow Ukrainian admittance into NATO since 1991, even while Moscow was offered the opportunity, and Putin knows this.

Most of the US heavy and light armor, as well as munition stockpiles, which exists in the EU today, were moved into very large storage positions in Poland and Romania under Trump. Most of that took place between 2017-2019.

Some of it was wrestled into Poland and Romania under Bush 43’s EUCOM commanders, as a response to Putin sending in multiple brigades of heavy armor and Russian Strategic Rocket Forces back into Kaliningrad, and back into the Balkins, and along Hungary’s southern border.

AEGIS On Shore, under B-43, was halted by Obama, even as Moscow was placing 4Gen nukes into Kaliningrad, and then took Ukraine’s most important energy and industrial East, so as to cripple Ukrainian economic importance to the US and EU.

Trump kicked *AEGIS On Shore into high gear, (which is truly a defensive system, and covers from Ukraine to Germany, and Croatia/Italy to Finland actually), as we learned CIS Moscow had moved several hundred nuclear missiles into Kaliningrad (as well as very quietly moved several into the Balkins). As well, thousands of 3rd and 4th gen Russian nuclear artillery shells, and a number of Russian CBRN units were also moved permanently into Kaliningrad, as well as a few Russian/CIS CBRN training units sent back into the Serbian AOR back in 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016-2017.

Bulgarian and Romanian troops who tried to stop them have come under attack at various locations along shared borders, by Spetsnaz along the weapons shipping routes.

Kremlin long term architecture is to control not only “Slavic EU”, but to determine policy and finance of the 650 million person EU market.

Control of ME energy and shipping routes is part of the same larger CIS architecture and objective.

Russia/CIS cannot have a “western front” with a rogue, educated, and populated Ukraine, potentially flanking, or impeding LOC’s behind them. As well, Ukraine still has significant energy sources and junctions, and a significant population which Moscow will exploit moving forward, once re-subordinated to the 11 member CIS strategic battlespace.

Ukraine is not a end, it is a strategic stepping stone, and beginning.

Most Americans are oblivious and illiterate to just about everything.

The large scale movement of US forces into Poland and Romania was very significant, and was truly a response to, and AFTER Moscow had been moving strategic and conventional forces into Kaliningrad and the Balkans.

The constant narrative of NATO pushing Putin into a box, and for Putin to defend the CIS is perfectly 180 degrees from what has already taken place, or of what NATO posture is, or NATO’s current obvious disarray.

(By the way, I really don’t like NATO).

In other words, Putin’s fake narrative is now popular mainstream, and causing further disarray in the West, chief of which is the US.

🇺🇸 More Light —

*Going further, Putin’s proactiveness is more related to Polish and Romanian objectives, which will see Romania with roughly 1.2+ million servicemembers soon (counting reserves), probably by 2024, and Poland aiming to have 1.3 million servicemembers (including reserves) within a similar window.

Poland and Romania didn’t jump in on these plans until after Merkel’s Marxist East German husband pushed the new Berlin/Moscow axis on different fronts, including NordStream’s 1 & 2.

When Moscow and Berlin jumped back together, Poland and Romania went into overdrive militarily.

And NS-2 didn’t get pushed forward until years after a continuum of strategically re-arming Kaliningrad and the Balkans.


22 posted on 01/23/2022 2:23:47 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: patriotfury

Why did NATO refuse entry to Ukraine? So as not to anger Russia, or different reasons at different times?


23 posted on 01/23/2022 2:45:16 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: RomanSoldier19

🇺🇸 Ukraine is in real peril.

As well, Ukraine is not the actual enemy of America.

Another angle impacting historical context and literacy —

While very limited in scope, the following open source information disseminated to M Divine and WP was/is actially accurate. (Don’t ask me why M Divine and WP were chosen over more conservative outlets. FedGov, even through Trumps presidency was stupid that way)

*A new graphic needs to be created and widely disseminated, showing the following actual “DOTS connected”.

Has been posted on FR before, but the following OS reporting is accurate, and clearly needs more circulation.

At their core, true conservatives desire truth. The truth is being buried by a tidal wave of false, and falsely reinforced information.

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(To/from M Divine, from “Laptop From Hell”, as reported in WP)

“Hunter Biden had deep connections with oligarchs close to Putin...”

*While his father was vice president, Hunter was paid $83,333 per month in board fees by the corrupt Ukrainian energy company owned by Russia [Kremlin]-aligned oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, the former ecology minister under President Yanukovych [also with long standing direct ties and pPutin opolicy lignment bobjectives

The payment was cut in half shortly after Joe Biden left office. In the five years that he was on the Burisma payroll, to April 2019, Hunter earned $4 million in board fees.”

“According to the diary on his laptop, Hunter flew to Russia in 2012 to meet Abramyan [direct involvement from Putin] lunch in Washington with his father, then vice-president Joe Biden, and then-Chinese vice-president *Xi Jinping.

((POC’s were not merely FSB and MSS, quietly influencing policy, but were the Russian (CIS) and Chinese heads of state, directly involved in US White House decision making. Agakn, these meetings represented direct involvement from Putin and Xi Jinping, working to direct *US White House policy [under what was really an Obama/Clinton WH], with Biden as useful, less visible, Putin/Xi liaison.

Ukraine was just one of the Moscow-DC alignments, or DC subordinate reveals.

The Moscow/Beijing aligned US White House ran both “macro and micro interference” within EU/NATO, and through the entire US IC, DOD, DoS, and DOJ, and Treasury. Kremlin policy success in Ukraine required a generatuinally and deeply corrupted leftist US White House, carrying out Moscow/Beijing objectives in Ukraine, and elsewhere.))

Hunter’s diary entry for February 16, 2012 shows “breakfast board of directors ‘troika dialog,’ lunch w Ara Abramyan his home”[*one of Putins GRU-FSB/MSS top liaisons] in the upscale Odintsovsky district of West Moscow.” (This information almost didn’t get included), but the obliquity was important).
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Biden is lliterally acheap manchurian puppet/mouthpiece.

Conservatives across America simply cannot follow the level of disinformation shaping their deeply flawed, and now pro-Moscow/Beijing views.

Interesting isn’t it.

It’s all fake, but Moscow and Beijing have won the fake moral highground, and thereby the hearts of conservatives across the US, and generationally neutralizing the greatest military power in the world.

Not a desirous thing to know at all, but Ukraine isn’t an end, it’s a beginning.

The only real way kinetic war was aborted before it began, was direct knowledge by our enemies, of America’s preparation and willingness to win.

WWII began in large part, to leftist powers taking advantage of overwhelming western societal nausea at the thought of war.

America and the world will soon realize the greatest wars in world history. 🇺🇸


24 posted on 01/23/2022 2:49:01 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Krosan

ping


25 posted on 01/23/2022 2:51:00 PM PST by null and void (81 million votes ≠ 81 million voters)
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To: steve86

Good question —

I am sure you are aware of al these things, but take a look at response #24.

And by the way, as I tried to respond, my system just came under attack.


26 posted on 01/23/2022 2:52:43 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: RomanSoldier19
Putin has bought the former German Chancellor Schröder by having him chair the boards of Russian state oil firm Rosneft and the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline firm.

At Putin's request, Schröder was swiftly appointed chairman of the offshore natural gas pipeline Nord Stream. Less than a month after leaving the chancellery, he had allowed the Russian president to convince him of the "European dimension of the project."

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-and-schr%C3%B6der-a-special-german-russian-friendship-under-attack/a-55219973

27 posted on 01/23/2022 3:35:52 PM PST by tlozo
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To: tlozo

Recalled well.


28 posted on 01/23/2022 4:17:07 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Guaranteed Israel won’t be selling weapons direct to Iran, Syria, gaza, hezbollah (iran), muslim brotherhood (unless they are working a deeper angle), al-shabaab, houthi, islamic jihad, etc...

I like it though, “necessity is the mother of invention”. 🇺🇸


29 posted on 01/23/2022 4:27:39 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: RomanSoldier19

germany is a hostage satellite ally of russia ...


30 posted on 01/23/2022 5:10:02 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science ...)
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31 posted on 01/23/2022 5:48:45 PM PST by RomanSoldier19 (Res ad Triarios venit; )
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To: patriotfury

Pure fantasy.

All of it.


32 posted on 01/23/2022 7:10:13 PM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: RomanSoldier19

NATO is toast.


33 posted on 01/23/2022 7:11:32 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“Master Blaster run Barter Town!’’.


34 posted on 01/23/2022 7:29:22 PM PST by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: patriotfury
Let them all kill each other. Two generations of Americans fighting to keep Europeans from slaughtering each other is enough. The Unspellables are going to kill the Unpronouceables.

Big deal.

35 posted on 01/23/2022 7:32:17 PM PST by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: MtnClimber

I wonder if German winters are like North Dakota? I remember months of -20 degree days, before wind chill.


36 posted on 01/23/2022 8:01:56 PM PST by NetAddicted ( Just looking)
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To: NetAddicted

Berlin, Germany, is much more mild than anywhere in the Dakotas, by 20+ degrees.


37 posted on 01/23/2022 8:22:30 PM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: null and void

It might not even be important to ponder how we got here, but where we are is that the German nation is morally weak, believing untrue things and fairy tales. It is both greed and stupidity.

They sincerely believe in all these ponies and rainbow cr*p of “if we’ll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy, he’ll forget his evil ways and learn to love us”.

Here is what one observer of national security writes about the German nation:


In my perception war guilt per se is not the driver. Rather this, even if subconscious only: early 20th century Germany strikes, twice, at the two continental enemies, FRA and RUS. Post-war dream is reconciliation with both. Nobody may get in the way of the dream.

Another key is Cold War history itself: West Germany lives in fear and a large part is held by the Soviets. W. Germans learn, subconsciously again, that US is needed but can be criticised, and that USSR is dangerous and can’t be criticised. Stockholm Syndrome ensues.

As a result of Stockholm Syndrome, Germany is grateful to Moscow for German Reunification, but not grateful to the Western powers. And because Moscow is assumed dangerous and can’t be criticised, easier to blame tensions on America or Eastern Europeans rather than on Moscow.

Germany is used to not carrying the burden of its own security, let alone that of Europe. So there’s a lack of understanding of the importance of military deterrence, and a fear of “provoking” Russia (which can’t be reasoned with) - therefore posture always leans back in fear


38 posted on 01/24/2022 3:07:32 AM PST by Krosan
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To: Mariner; All

You are a funny guy.

All of you -

Years ago, in the early 1990’s, in a timeline just before a number of our staff (including the US Ambassador), were sent home, or air evacuated from Moscow to Ramstein Air Force Base, (due to having high powered microwave exposure aimed into the US Embassy front offices, from across the Garden Ring Rd, downtown Moscow), friends of mine, and myself, were admitted to an office near Ria Novosti, where we were allowed to see groups of highly capable linguist, responding (in person), to blogs around the world. This was smart, as it also provided significant information gathering, and allowed for potential leaker to be flagged from Moscow and the CIS.

Years later, not only were we permitted to see this again, but we were shown a large office, where again, very intelligent Russian people were employed to monitor email traffic/communication globally, with a special office dedicated to email traffic involving expats from nations around the world who were in Russia, or what was then a 12 nation CIS, with reciprocal intel sharing requirements with Moscow.

Bots weren’t yet the most relied upon form of disinformation, and the “twittersphere” (and similar social media), were not a “thing” quite yet.

In 1998, I learned of FreeRepublic, not while back in the CONUS, but from Moscow, as it was on a screen being monitored from central Moscow. I asked what this FreeRepublic site was all about, and was told in perfect American Emglish. We asked why the interest, and there were multiple answers, but one was to monitor any Russian, CIS, or foer Warsaw Pact individuals.

If I were to site everything I have stated, it would be many more pages.

And yes, you and I are both monitored.


39 posted on 01/24/2022 5:12:05 AM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Krosan

Thanks. I always appreciate your viewpoint!


40 posted on 01/24/2022 9:10:02 AM PST by null and void (81 million votes ≠ 81 million voters)
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