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Even without war, Russia has defeated Europe already
EUObserver ^ | 1/19/2022 | John Holslag

Posted on 01/19/2022 8:46:31 AM PST by mac_truck

Whether or not Vladimir Putin moves his troops into Ukraine, he has once again confronted Europe with a most painful reality: while being too weak to defend itself, it can no longer rely on the United States to come to its rescue.

We are facing a reality in which Russia, despite its economy only having the size of Italy's, can bully and intimidate a continent thanks to its energy reserves and its readiness to project vast military power.

Sure, any Russian invasion of Ukraine would cost Russia a fortune and likely degrade into a grinding war of attrition. Invasion is unlikely to be president Putin's preferred option. Yet, this game of brinkmanship has another part of the equation. If Russia invades Ukraine, the costs for Europe will be equally devastating.

It will force gas-addicted European countries to find expensive alternatives and to severe billions in infrastructure, from pipelines, over pumping stations, to dedicated storages.

Russia also remains a key export destination and a supplier of other resources than oil and gas. Think of titanium. While the Kremlin has long prepared a gradual decoupling from Europe, the opposite remains unthinkable for most Europeans.

While a sizeable part of the Russian population would support an intervention in the eastern part of Ukraine, citizens in many European countries will find it hard to accept soldiers to die for what they consider a strange, peripheral country: Ukraine.

Countless times, I have heard very senior European business leaders sympathise with the leadership of Putin, to the point that one got the impression that they were more attracted to Russian strong leadership than Western liberalism.

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Interesting analysis from outside the DC beltway.
1 posted on 01/19/2022 8:46:31 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: mac_truck
it can no longer rely on the United States to come to its rescue

Why should we?

2 posted on 01/19/2022 8:56:30 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: mac_truck

I don’t agree with the ‘grinding war of attrition’ part. I guess it depends on how big of a bite from Ukraine they take.


3 posted on 01/19/2022 8:57:48 AM PST by shadowlands1960 ("...some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again... " CSL)
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To: mac_truck

Russia has possessed Ukraine a lot in the past. Was one of Stalin’s most horrific launching pads for genocide. The weak, tyrannical EU and the woke Globalist American Empire against Russia on their home turf. Putin would like the odds.


4 posted on 01/19/2022 8:58:11 AM PST by Luke21
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To: mac_truck

Russia could take remaining key strategic assets with relatively little difficulty

so,... while certainly Putin does not have to do it (per the article), he very well may.

imho

we will see, time will tell


5 posted on 01/19/2022 8:58:24 AM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians are not born. They’re excreted.” Marcus Tillius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Jeff Chandler

“it can no longer rely on the United States to come to its rescue
Why should we?”

Because the big man needs his cut!


6 posted on 01/19/2022 8:58:31 AM PST by icclearly
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To: mac_truck

Actually, western Europe defeated itself through its own treasonous political class.


7 posted on 01/19/2022 8:58:55 AM PST by Wuli
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Why would Russia want to get into a shooting war when they can gain political influence in another way?


8 posted on 01/19/2022 8:59:33 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: mac_truck

Western Europe is fated to be conquered in any event; better for them it be by the Russians than the Muslims.


9 posted on 01/19/2022 9:01:16 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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To: shadowlands1960

Would Putin be satisfied with a larger part of Ukraine, or will he stop only when he forces the whole country into a revived version of the USSR (perhaps along with Belarus)?


10 posted on 01/19/2022 9:02:44 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: mac_truck

Good for Putin. He’s doing what’s best for his country and is beating back the globalists.


11 posted on 01/19/2022 9:02:55 AM PST by Kazan
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Meet the new Russian satellite states!
12 posted on 01/19/2022 9:02:56 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (If It Aint Woke Don't Fix It.)
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To: mac_truck

Europe defeated itself.


13 posted on 01/19/2022 9:03:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Kazan

He wanted the leaders to meet AND get to work on agreements......they kicked the can......Putin moves a few military vehicles around to show he means business.....Now they want to talk!


14 posted on 01/19/2022 9:05:23 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: mac_truck
Europe and NATO are no longer credible deterrents because Germany is essentially a neutral state now. Decades of anti-American propaganda from 1968 onwards plus the absorption of the Sovietized East German population have taken their toll. In addition, Putin purchased the Social Democratic Party under Schroeder and the SDP now functions as a bought and paid for branch of the foreign ministry. Public opinion polls in Germany show the Germans are willing to accept a Russian "sphere of influence" in Eastern Europe as long as they maintain business ties and it only costs their neighbors not them. Let's call it a new von-Ribbentrop-Lavrov pact.

Meanwhile, the French are flailing around trying to bamboozle the Germans into paying billions more for French weaponry, while their hands are tied by traditional French loathing of les anglo-saxons and the pro-Russian, anti-NATO stance of Le Pen and Zemmour.

What is likely to happen is that the US will make a bunch of bilateral committmeents to Eastern European and Scandinavian states like Poland and Finland as NATO drifts into irrelevancy. The German slide into neutrality could be slowed by exposure of Putin's financial connection to German politicians and by stiff actions against German trade by the US, but with the clownshow unelected junta currently in charge of the US, nothing substantial will be done.

15 posted on 01/19/2022 9:08:56 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Jeff Chandler

Unfortunately, most of the world looks to us to defend them from aggressive neighbors.


16 posted on 01/19/2022 9:11:55 AM PST by 1956tbyrd
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To: mac_truck
While the Kremlin has long prepared a gradual decoupling from Europe, the opposite remains unthinkable for most Europeans.

Fortunately, no Tranny, Homo, Pederast, Muslim, Environazi or Woke RIGHTS will be suppressed, and they all will go to the front of the line for their heat and energy allotment.

The rest of you Europeans can Freeze.

17 posted on 01/19/2022 9:18:34 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: vikingd00d

“Western Europe is fated to be conquered in any event; better for them it be by the Russians than the Muslims.”

Agreed.

You make a very good point.


18 posted on 01/19/2022 9:21:22 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: mac_truck

Europe surrendered decades ago!!!


19 posted on 01/19/2022 9:22:27 AM PST by ontap
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To: shadowlands1960
I don’t agree with the ‘grinding war of attrition’ part. I guess it depends on how big of a bite from Ukraine they take.

I agree...the eastern regions which have already seceded from Ukraine could be folded into Russia without much difficulty, and my guess is this action would prompt additional eastern regions into secession.

The big question then would be whether or not a move by Russia into eastern Ukraine would push Western Ukraine to secede from Kiev, effectively splitting the country into three parts.

20 posted on 01/19/2022 9:28:19 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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