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Justices Roberts and Kavanaugh both acquiesced in the Biden Department of Health and Human Services’ power grab.
https://thefederalist.com ^ | January 14, 2022 | Author Margot Cleveland profile Margot Cleveland

Posted on 01/14/2022 8:56:48 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

That a people who allow themselves to be ruled by nine unelected individuals and/or one elected person is incomprehensible and antithetical to a republican form of government.


21 posted on 01/14/2022 9:31:48 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: Alberta's Child

In the case of medical facilities, the SCOTUS ruled that the “Congress authorized the Secretary [HHS] to promulgate, as a condition of a facility’s participation in the programs, such “requirements as [he] finds necessary in the interest of the health and safety of individuals who are furnished services in the institution.” This authorization power was stretched like legal taffy by the narrowest majority (5-4) to create a power over a medical worker’s body, giving the federal government the right to impose a vaccine mandate based on an arbitrary funding source.

This is a terrible and dangerous ruling. It is not a great jump from this ruling to say that individuals in the Medicare or Medicaid program are subject to federal vaccine diktats or those that receive federal Social Security funding also lose the right to body autonomy. And once that power is given, they won’t stop with Covid.


22 posted on 01/14/2022 9:33:26 AM PST by PTBAA
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Roberts has always been a liberal, but Kavanaugh was a surprise. What’s with Trump’s Supreme Court picks turning out to be closet statists? Didn’t he promise to hire “the best people”? He could have picked a random Freeper, and s/he would do a better job than Kavanuagh.


23 posted on 01/14/2022 9:34:11 AM PST by FormerFRLurker
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To: PTBAA
This is a terrible and dangerous ruling. It is not a great jump from this ruling to say that individuals in the Medicare or Medicaid program are subject to federal vaccine diktats or those that receive federal Social Security funding also lose the right to body autonomy. And once that power is given, they won’t stop with Covid.

Well stated. This is the crux of my concern, with regard to personal freedom, which logically starts with body autonomy, independent of any current covid scare. Bill Gates has already been proposing the cut off off social security for non-compliers, I’m guessing you’re already aware. Thanks again.

24 posted on 01/14/2022 9:39:35 AM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection?)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Great. My daughter is an unvaccinated critical care nurse. She has a religious exemption and wants to stay that way. Hope it holds. So many have left her hospital and they canceled the traveling nurses. She may leave as well. She is overworked and underpaid, but loves her job. She is not supposed to get more than two patients on her twelve hour shift, but now routinely gets three... She is my angel and this ruling was not right. Hospitals are closing because of this mandate. Fools!


25 posted on 01/14/2022 9:48:29 AM PST by Whatever Works
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To: Brian Griffin
You probably know people that work in a hospital. Ask those you trust that would be knowledgeable.

That is part of the problem. I have friends who work in hospitals. Some say unvaxxed patients are overwhelming them. Others say there are more vaxxed patients.

Someone is lying.

The people vilifying the unvaxxed have every reason to lie. There is a financial incentive, a political incentive and the human resistance to admitting a mistake.

The people telling me that the vaxxed are overwhelming the ICU do so at great professional and financial risk. There is little incentive for them to lie.

26 posted on 01/14/2022 9:57:14 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Brian Griffin

I know that the local university hospital is rolling in dough and building new wings from all the people they pumped full of Remdesivir and slapped onto ventilators to collect the $13,000 for each Fauci/China biological warfare virus diagnosis and the $59,000 for each ventilator murder.

I know that much.


27 posted on 01/14/2022 10:35:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong [FJB])
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To: Golden Eagle
Contracts can be unconstitutional, and still be valid?

That sounds like a red herring. Can you give me an example of one?

28 posted on 01/14/2022 12:13:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: Alberta's Child

My question was basically, if the terms or enforcement of a contract infringed on someone’s constitutional rights, and that possibility was being interpreted by a court, shouldn’t the protections off the constitution override any terms of the contract. In effect, the constitution is held higher than even laws, with contracts even then below that. Thanks.


29 posted on 01/14/2022 12:23:08 PM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection?)
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To: Brian Griffin

“mRNA vaccines do greatly reduce hospitalization and death”

Often heard yet no links nor sources ever cited, things that make you go hmmmm...


30 posted on 01/14/2022 12:27:00 PM PST by BrandtMichaels ( )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not to take this thread too far off course, but since you mentioned it, if you haven’t heard a new theory is emerging that some drugs being administered to those on ventilators may be the actual cause of death. I’m sure you know what fentanyl is, but midazolam is actually what they inject people with for capital punishment.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16540957/

Objective: To compare the efficacy of continuous intravenous sedation with midazolam alone vs. midazolam plus fentanyl (”co-sedation”) during mechanical ventilation.

Conclusions: In mechanically ventilated patients, co-sedation with midazolam and fentanyl by constant infusion provides more reliable sedation and is easier to titrate than midazolam alone, without significant difference in the rate of adverse events.


31 posted on 01/14/2022 12:31:28 PM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection?)
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To: Golden Eagle
That's a valid question, but in the two cases yesterday the issue of "constitutional rights" of individuals was never in dispute. The OSHA and CMS mandates were only applicable to employers (OSHA) and health care facilities (CMS).

There was nobody in the courtroom representing the interests of the individual workers -- because individual workers were not a party to the legal challenges even though they were the ones most affected by at least the CMS mandate.

The CMS ruling may end up being a case where a bad decision was made on the correct legal grounds.

I would think the relationship between employers (health care facilities) and staff would be the subject of a very different type of legal challenge.

32 posted on 01/14/2022 12:33:46 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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Interesting, I had assumed that these cases had originally been brought forward by individuals seeking relief, as those cases have undoubtedly been filed. Perhaps individual cases rarely make it all the way Supreme Court, for a variety of reasons, but if one were to on this matter, do you think the ruling might be different, even if the scope of relief would likely be limited to the individual complaint? Thanks again.


33 posted on 01/14/2022 12:40:21 PM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection?)
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To: Golden Eagle
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm familiar with the legal process as a professional who has served as an expert witness in court cases, and I generally know how the process works. My sense is that it's a situation where the individual employee doesn't have any direct "legal connection" to OSHA or HHS (Medicare/Medicaid) and therefore can't legally challenge them directly. Instead, the individual is in an employer-employee relationship and would be required to pursue any legal challenges against the employer.

The employer would then fall back on an OSHA or CMS mandate as a defense against a lawsuit brought by the employees, but the employer could also then bring OSHA or HHS in as third-party defendants and pursue a legal challenge that is somewhat different (or even very different) than the legal challenges that brought about yesterday's rulings.

34 posted on 01/14/2022 12:59:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: Brian Griffin

“The mRNA vaccines do greatly reduce hospitalization and death”

You are full of Sh!t.......PERIOD!!!

Fauci and CDC Director Rochelle Walensky Lie Under Oath Regarding VAERS COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths

https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/fauci-and-cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-lie-under-oath-regarding-vaers-covid-19-vaccine-deaths/

On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination

https://doctors4covidethics.org/on-covid-vaccines-why-they-cannot-work-and-irrefutable-evidence-of-their-causative-role-in-deaths-after-vaccination/

ISRAELI STUDY: Fully Vaxxed Are 27 Times More Likely To Get COVID Compared To People With Natural Immunity

https://nationalfile.com/israeli-study-fully-vaxxed-are-27-times-more-likely-to-get-covid-compared-to-people-with-natural-immunity/


35 posted on 01/14/2022 1:15:13 PM PST by afchief
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You may not be a lawyer AC, but I’ve always found your analysis to be very knowledgeable, logical, and likely correct. Thanks again.


36 posted on 01/14/2022 1:23:26 PM PST by Golden Eagle (What's in YOUR injection?)
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To: Golden Eagle
Oh, boy ... thank you!

You're too kind!

... but I’ve always found your analysis to be very knowledgeable, logical, and likely correct.

I'm not sure about that last item. LOL.

37 posted on 01/14/2022 4:08:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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