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Rethinking Citizenship— Should Born In The U.S.A. Be Enough?
American Thinker ^ | 01/11/2022 | Anony Mee

Posted on 01/11/2022 7:57:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind

There are two main paths to acquiring citizenship in the United States and a few minor ones. The first is to be born here. The others are via legal immigration, birth abroad to a U.S. citizen, and certain adoptions.

Then there’s birthright citizenship, which is recognized in only 25 countries, 13% of the nations on earth, and all but three of them are in the Americas. In recent years, France, New Zealand, Australia, and Ireland have abolished birthright citizenship.

The US-born children of foreign diplomatic officers are not eligible to be citizens. Citizenship is currently granted, however, to all other children born here to foreigners, about 10% of the close to 4 million births here in 2019.

About a quarter of these are the children of Chinese and other-nationality women engaged in “birth tourism.” They constitute a growing group of American citizens with no connections to the United States, its people, culture, or dynamism, other than their return ticket to their home country after having been born here and a U.S. passport. The other three-quarters are born to illegal aliens, more than likely to parents living in fear while striving to stay under the DHS radar—not a particularly healthy relationship with their country of residence.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: citizenship
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1 posted on 01/11/2022 7:57:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No! I hate that song


2 posted on 01/11/2022 7:58:50 AM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

Son, don’t you understand?


3 posted on 01/11/2022 7:59:45 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

No
Simply popping out of the birth canal here should NOT be 3nough .
A child should be the citizen of the country for which it parents are the legal citizens of .
If they are legal U.S. citizens ( both or one) then fine, no issues. But if they are the result of illegal entry to participate in illegal anchor-baby scamming , then absolutely not.

No other county on earth allows this scam . Neither should we .


4 posted on 01/11/2022 8:05:02 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: SeekAndFind

No.
Everyone should have go through the naturalization process.
Failure to earn citizenship should bar individuals from elected or appointed offices, and from holding most government jobs.


5 posted on 01/11/2022 8:05:37 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course not.

Service in the armed forces should be a requirement. Heinlein got this one right.


6 posted on 01/11/2022 8:13:15 AM PST by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, but we know that in today’s America that qualifies me as racist.

I also think everyone should do some form of public service for at least 2 years.


7 posted on 01/11/2022 8:14:03 AM PST by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does this even have to be asked anymore?

Simply starting by NOT giving citizenship to babies born here of illegal alien parents would remove a massive incentive to invade.

As for others here on the ninety zillion visa types, the real answer is to stop handing out visas.

We owe the illegals nothing. Their children are not “stateless”, and they arent Americans, and they shouldnt vote in our elections, EVER. They inherit their parents nationality. That means they can go home and live happily ever after.


8 posted on 01/11/2022 8:18:50 AM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why do the countries that leftists lionize and want to emulate not recognize birthright citizenship?


9 posted on 01/11/2022 8:19:49 AM PST by fwdude (My pronouns are "F*ck, Joe, Biden." Use them when addressing me or else. )
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To: Little Ray

I think if born to one or more legal US citizens (natural born or naturalized). The parents have to be married too. Everyone must take and pass a civics course that covers the U.S. constitution to demonstrate competency to vote or hold any public office or govt job. Everyone. If you can’t pass it, you should not be voting.


10 posted on 01/11/2022 8:20:31 AM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: SeekAndFind

There is NO LAW granting citizenship to kids born in the US ... if their parents are not either US citizens or citizens of another country who have LEGALLY immigrated to the US


11 posted on 01/11/2022 8:25:02 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style )
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope.

Loyalty to the country should count for something.

I love how the leftists think we should emulate Europe. So let’s do it like Switzerland.


12 posted on 01/11/2022 8:26:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: SeekAndFind

“F” NO!


13 posted on 01/11/2022 8:28:23 AM PST by spincaster
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To: SeekAndFind

Surprise! Being born on American soil was NEVER enough to receive citizneship. The Constitution requires them to be SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF.

But thanks to Clinton, Bush, and Obama, that requirement was quietly deleted from our constitution (just like the NBC requirement) and we got 10s of millions of new “American” citizens who came here to steal your jobs and your country, just like the deep state wanted.


14 posted on 01/11/2022 8:28:46 AM PST by imabadboy99
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To: Little Ray

You should be granted the citizenship of your mother. Figuring out father can be messy. No dual citizenship. I try to imagine a baby born in the middle of nowhere, and then the mother entering her home country with that newborn. Baby should have same citizenship, naturally born citizenship same as mother.


15 posted on 01/11/2022 8:29:01 AM PST by teevolt
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To: sten

I get what you are saying, but the 14th Amendment pretty much grants U.S. citizenship to everyone who is born here. I understand that the intent of the writers was to make sure that former slaves would be citizens, but the language of the amendment itself and how courts have chosen to parse it means that anyone whose mom managed to give birth on U.S. soil (except for diplomats) is a citizen.

To correct this will require a Constitutional amendment, or a SCOTUS ruling that the words in the 14th don’t mean what they say.


16 posted on 01/11/2022 8:32:46 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: SeekAndFind
And yet Senate Resolution 2 resulting from the McCain question of qualified Natural Born Citizen stated he was a Natural Born US citizen because both his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth (regardless of location).
17 posted on 01/11/2022 8:33:40 AM PST by RideForever (One of the CoVID naturally immune control group)
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To: virgil; teevolt

Neah.
If you are born in the US, to married parents, one of whom is a lawful US Resident, you get the equivalent of a green card - let’s call it a blue card - you’re a permanent resident and you can work here.
Once you complete the naturalization process, you become a Citizen, can vote, run for office, hold appointed office, and be hired for government jobs requiring a security clearance.
Any violent felony conviction will result in forfeiture of Citizen status.

I want Citizenship to MEAN something - to be the most valuable possession an American can hold, to be something worth killing or dying over.


18 posted on 01/11/2022 8:42:08 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: hanamizu
anyone whose mom managed to give birth on U.S. soil (except for diplomats) is a citizen.

OK, let's look at VPOTUS (K. Harris). Her parents obtained passports from their foreign jurisdictions (India, Jamaica) and applied for visas to stay in the U.S., where they birthed Kamala. Both foreign jurisdictions provide citizenship thru Kamala's parents.

Are you trying to tell us she is a Natural Born citizen of the US, despite the foreign jurisdiction, and despite the Senate definition from its resolution?

19 posted on 01/11/2022 8:44:52 AM PST by RideForever (One of the CoVID naturally immune control group)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s nice to have texts and legislation to support the idea of ending birthright citizenship, but in practical terms, the loosest definition of birthright citizenship has been the law of the land for at least two generations now. If there’s any going back in a real way, it will require something at the level of a constitutional amendment. Maybe not exactly an amendment per se, but sustained support at that level for multiple years and a positive, unambiguous Supreme Court ruling that affirms it. In a country as bitterly divided as ours is, with so many snakes in the grass waiting to bite any effort like this in the heels, I don’t know how it goes past the level of internet forum argument without a big change in strategy.


20 posted on 01/11/2022 8:48:13 AM PST by jz638
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