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An Orthodox Rabbi Writes That People Are Basically Good -- Judaism Is in TroubleAn Orthodox Rabbi Writes That People Are Basically Good -- Judaism Is in Trouble
Townhall.com ^ | January 11, 2022 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/11/2022 3:54:27 AM PST by Kaslin

The Algemeiner, a Jewish publication I highly respect, published a column about Judaism that is not merely wrong; it actually advances a thesis that is the opposite of what Judaism teaches.

That fact alone would not have prompted me to write a rebuttal. What prompts me is that the column was written by an Orthodox rabbi. It is sad enough that many non-Orthodox rabbis have been influenced more by their secular/Left educations than by the Torah. But when a rabbi identified as "centrist Orthodox" distorts one of the most important and normative ideas in Judaism, and is published in a major Jewish journal, we might be in trouble. Of course, he might be an outlier. But I don't think he is unique. Though certainly not yet dominant, secular values have entered parts of modern Orthodox life just as they have traditional Catholic and Protestant Christian life.

With regard to mainstream Christianity -- both Catholicism and Protestantism -- and non-Orthodox Judaism, we are indeed in trouble. The secular and leftist influence on these denominations has been disastrous.

I should note that I am not mentioning the rabbi's name as I have no desire to make this issue personal, let alone engage in an ad hominem attack. I know that the curious can identify the rabbi by searching the internet, but I cannot control that. I can only control what I write. And since I assume that this rabbi is a sincere individual, I want to restrict my response to what he wrote.

The rabbi wrote that Judaism posits that people are basically good, that human nature is good.

This is one of the most foolish and dangerous ideas of the secular world. No Abrahamic religion -- not Judaism, not Christianity, not Islam -- asserts that people are basically good. This notion is a product of the secular age and a major reason for the moral confusion that characterizes our era.

With regard to Judaism, the Torah completely rejects the notion that man is basically good. God Himself states that "the will of man's heart is evil from his youth" (Genesis 8:21) and that "every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time" (Genesis 6:5).

For a rabbi to assert that man is basically good is to assert that God was wrong. I am used to secular people saying that, not Orthodox rabbis.

In addition, the Torah -- and the rest of the Bible -- repeatedly warns us not to follow our hearts. In fact, Orthodox Jews cite this admonition from the Torah three times every day: "Do not follow your hearts and your eyes after which you prostitute yourselves" (Numbers 15:39).

If the human heart is basically good, why does the Bible repeatedly warn us not to follow it?

The rabbi never cites any of these verses. For good reason: They would simply invalidate his argument. This secular belief in the inherent goodness of man is not only not Jewish; as noted, it is foolish and dangerous.

How foolish? It is not possible to be aware of human history and to rationally maintain that people are basically good. For a Jew to believe such nonsense after the Holocaust is simply breathtaking. Apparently, basically good people murdered six million Jews.

But we don't need references to the Holocaust to make our case.

In the 20th century alone, more than a hundred million people -- civilians, not soldiers -- were murdered by vile regimes and their vile followers. These include the approximately 20 million killed in the Gulag Archipelago; the slaughter of the Tutsis in Rwanda; the genocidal murder of Armenians; the deliberate starvation of about 60 million Chinese; the Japanese mass rape of Korean "comfort women" and hideous medical experiments on Chinese civilians; and the torture and murder of approximately one out of four Cambodians.

And that is only a partial list.

Virtually every serious thinker in history knew people were not basically good. They knew about the universality of slavery and the tortures and rapes that accompanied slavery. They knew how men behaved in wartime.

Were all the people who engaged in these evils aberrations? In fact, most were quite normal. The aberrations in history have been the truly good individuals. To cite the Holocaust, the Germans, French, Poles, Hungarians, Lithuanians and others who aided the Holocaust, let alone those who did nothing, were normal people. The handful who aided Jews were the aberrations.

And what about childhood bullying? Are fat, or slow, or unattractive boys and girls generally treated with kindness and empathy? The question is rhetorical.

And what about child sexual abuse? The WHO in 2002 estimated that 73 million boys and 150 million girls under the age of 18 years had experienced various forms of sexual violence. Quite remarkable for a world of basically good people.

So much for the foolishness of the belief that people are basically good. Now let's deal with why it is dangerous.

One reason is that the most important, and most difficult, task of parents and of society is to raise good human beings. Yet, those who believe we are born good will not concentrate on making good people. Why bother if we're already good?

A second reason the belief is dangerous is that those who believe it blame the evil that people do on outside forces, not on the individual who committed the evil. Belief in the basic goodness of human nature is the major reason people claim that poverty, or guns, or racism causes crime. Anything except the perpetrator.

The rabbi cites a Yale study that purports to show that babies are not only moral agents but are actually moral beings. Such studies are one reason so many Americans have come to hold universities in increasing contempt. The idea that babies know right and wrong is preposterous. The idea that babies are moral is even more preposterous. Babies are neither moral nor immoral since they have no more free will than your family dog.

Babies are selfish -- as they have to be to survive. And babies are innocent. But innocent is not the same as good. The rabbi conflates "innocent" with "good."

He also conflates "in God's image" with "good." He writes: "the Torah stating that human beings are created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) (is) a statement that underscored humanity's inherent goodness."

Not so. Created "in God's image" has never meant man is basically good. Rather, it means that human beings, like God (and unlike animals), know good from evil and have moral free will. In Genesis 1:27, Rashi, author of the most influential Jewish Bible commentary ever written, explains "in God's image" as "the power to comprehend and to discern." Second, it means that human life (again, unlike animal life) is infinitely precious.

Finally, if people are basically good, what is the Torah for? What are all the commandments for? If people are basically good, why would God need to command us not to murder? Don't basically good creatures know this?

It is very troubling that an Orthodox rabbi would teach the opposite of what the Torah and Judaism teach concerning one of the most fundamental issues of life. As more and more modern Orthodox Jews attend college and graduate school, it is imperative that Jewish schools teach the distinctiveness of Jewish values.

Increasingly, they do not.


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To: Elsie

There is no mention of it in the Torah that I know about. The Book of Samuel talks about Sheol in the Witch of Endor story. Sheol is basically long term storage for souls. Nothing much happens there. Later Rabbinic writing talks about Gehenna which is kind of like an auto body repair shop for your soul. But really it’s not dwelled on. The point is to focus on your life here.


61 posted on 01/11/2022 9:05:27 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
We all KNOW that  Jesus Talked More About Heaven Than Hell?; right?
Maybe not...
 
https://truthinreality.com/2012/07/23/did-jesus-talk-more-about-heaven-than-hell/
 
 
Altough a  cursory read-through shows Jesus talked about it plenty. In fact, Jesus talked about hell more than any other person in the Bible.

In Luke 16, he describes a great chasm over which “none may cross from there to us.”
In 
Matthew 25,  Jesus tells of a time when people will be separated into two groups, one entering into his presence, the other banished to “eternal fire.”

Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail.

He says it is a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23),
of unquenchable fire (
Mark 9:43),
where the worm does not die (
Mark 9:48),
where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (
Matt. 13:42),
and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (
Luke 16:19–31).
He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (
Matt. 25:30),
comparing it to “Gehenna” 
Matt. 10:28),  which was a trash dump outside of Jerusalem where rubbish was burned and maggots abounded.

When Jesus talks about hell He describes it vividly

There’s no denying that Jesus knew, believed, and warned about the reality of hell.



62 posted on 01/12/2022 4:12:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Elsie, you have your texts and traditions and I have mine.


63 posted on 01/12/2022 8:30:20 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill

I listed mine.


64 posted on 01/12/2022 9:38:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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