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An Orthodox Rabbi Writes That People Are Basically Good -- Judaism Is in TroubleAn Orthodox Rabbi Writes That People Are Basically Good -- Judaism Is in Trouble
Townhall.com ^ | January 11, 2022 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/11/2022 3:54:27 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Elsie

The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,
who seek after God.

They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one....

Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!
When the Lord restores the fortunes of his people,
let Jacob rejoice, let Israel be glad.


21 posted on 01/11/2022 5:00:52 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: Jonty30

I think people want to be good, unless you are a sociopath or psychopath. However, I think some people don’t have a clue as to how to be good.“””

Well, define “good”. AOC et al believe in the deepest part of their shriveled hearts that that is exactly what they are doing. Evil is a constant force that is always there acting in its own interest. It never flags it never sleeps it never quits. Evil seeks to define right and wrong and what is true what is false. Presently evil, among a agreat many other things, is telling us that a man is a woman and a woman is a man and that we WILL profess this. Own a man’s thoughts and words and you own him. And that is what evil is after.


22 posted on 01/11/2022 5:14:15 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Hostage

People are not entirely good, nor entirely evil.

If people were entirely good, no government would be necessary. If they were entirely evil, no government would be possible.

If people were entirely evil, then no government could function, because the people enforcing the laws would be totally corrupt, and would not stop people from killing, raping, and eating their neighbors.

What makes Third World countries stay Third World is they exist in a culture which sanctions corruption, where business cannot happen because you cannot trust the other person to follow their end of the deal, and the courts are corrupt and for sale.


23 posted on 01/11/2022 5:15:11 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Hostage

I have a strap in the trunk for just this purpose; but that sure don’t make me good!


24 posted on 01/11/2022 5:16:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TalBlack

Liberals are the kind of people I am talking about. They want goodness, but think it has to be legislated in order to make it happen. They would be a prime example of how they are aschew.


25 posted on 01/11/2022 5:18:04 AM PST by Jonty30 (I love giving directions, because it is like me to tell people where to go and how to get there.)
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To: Kaslin
Religion aside, I think this is one issue on which Dennis is wrong. People being inherently evil is the excuse for government to tell all of us what to do. Left to our own individual choices, we will do the wrong thing unless the more noble, smarter people in the government run our lives for us.

And a hell of a lot more people fought against the Nazis than fought for them.

26 posted on 01/11/2022 5:36:21 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Kaslin

The Bible spends a lot of time telling us how to be good. We seem to know how to be bad on our own.


27 posted on 01/11/2022 5:43:01 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: Hostage

I wonder what all those people had in common?


28 posted on 01/11/2022 5:47:15 AM PST by Levy78
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To: Kaslin

I think people are basically good—and bad.


29 posted on 01/11/2022 5:55:52 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin; Alex Murphy; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ealgeone; Elsie; Gamecock; HossB86; ...

Interesting read.

This is where the left really loses it out of the gate. They believe, even if it’s unsaid, that people are basically good and want to do good and that is obviously, patently untrue.

The question so many people ask is that if God is good, why is there evil and suffering in this world.

Considering the way human beings have revealed themselves to be, the question shouldn’t be why there’s evil in the world, but why there is good in the world and where did THAT come from?


30 posted on 01/11/2022 6:03:31 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Scarlett156
When Man erred against Gd, he had to be put out of the Garden and the warning was “Now you’ll be an animal again, subject to the wayward whims of Nature. You’ll suffer mentally and physically. You wanted to be in charge? Now you are! Haaaaahahahaaaa!” *slams gate*

Or, you could go by Scripture and regard that God expelled them from the Garden to protect them from themselves.

They already proved they were not trustworthy and had they eaten of the Tree of Life, they would have lived forever in an unredeemed, corrupted state with no chance for redemption.

God expelled them to protect them and give them another chance, not be as vindictive as you appear to think He was.

Besides, rebellion is not “erring”. Man chose to rebel. It wasn’t a mistake.

31 posted on 01/11/2022 6:09:39 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Kaslin
Rabbi Paul does a wonderful job of explaining our nature in light of his extensive Torah knowledge:

"So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!" - Romans 7:21-25

32 posted on 01/11/2022 6:11:20 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: Elsie
Thanks for posting your link.

The title of the article you reference tells so much. “Survey Shows Most Americans Believe ‘Humans Are Basically Good’ But Don't Think Life Is ‘Sacred’.”

The lie of the “noble savage” has permeated secular life, and been used to support various incarnations of evil, academic to political to quasi-theological.

That the 20th century alone is dotted with repeated wars and utter brutality cannot be explained with “humans are basically good.”

Professor Rummel’s site details much as counter to that ‘evil’ premise, because power kills.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

33 posted on 01/11/2022 6:12:05 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time
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To: super7man
The Bible spends a lot of time telling us how to be good. We seem to know how to be bad on our own.

Just like any toddler.

34 posted on 01/11/2022 6:12:08 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Kaslin

That orthodox rabbi either doesn’t know his own scriptures or doesn’t believe them.


35 posted on 01/11/2022 6:31:29 AM PST by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Jonty30

People are bad, sinful and evil. When we choose good it is a triumph for got.


36 posted on 01/11/2022 6:34:05 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Kaslin

Two titles are better than one.


37 posted on 01/11/2022 6:41:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Media Control is an anagram of Delta Omicron.)
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To: Kaslin

They may or may not be “good”, but they have all sinned and fallen short of the righteousness of God.

If this were not so, The Lamb of God would have given a Ted-talk to inspire them - instead of dying a horrific death on a cross to save souls of those who put their faith in Him alone.


38 posted on 01/11/2022 6:42:48 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like the rabbi doesn’t want to repent in dust and ashes.


39 posted on 01/11/2022 6:43:13 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping, Metmom.

Makes you wonder what the Rabbi tells those parents whose child was randomly murdered for no reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. What about the woman who seeks comfort from him because she was brutally raped? And so on, and so on ...


40 posted on 01/11/2022 6:47:57 AM PST by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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