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Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts-(CAN)
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca ^ | Jan. 6, 2022 | Timm Bruch

Posted on 01/10/2022 6:07:36 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

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To: RomanSoldier19

Depends on the definition of “work”.


41 posted on 01/10/2022 8:22:03 AM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

It’s like the socialism these people are so much in favor of. If it doesn’t work it’s because you haven’t done enough of it. And if it hurts you, you need to do twice as much.


42 posted on 01/10/2022 8:43:04 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Socon-Econ

For me, it’s about the difference between evidence and proof. For example, If I tell police that you broke into my home and stole my stereo, that’s evidence. It’s evidence even if you never came near my house.

That is why Tawana Brawley’s accusations were evidence, but they could not convict the Duke Lacrosse team, because, as it turns out, they were lies.

So, anyone who is vaccinated, yet still gets symptomatic Covid-19 is “evidence” that the vaccine does not work. But more evidence would be needed to make a solid case.


43 posted on 01/10/2022 8:44:13 AM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: Mr.Unique
”What about this doesn't make sense? It is the math? “

I think it is the math. To see the benefit of the vax you need to compare two ratios. Depending on the actual values, sometimes I can’t get a close approximation without a calculator.

The people doing the reporting have oversold the product so much that many don’t believe it has any value. This article pretty clearly indicates that the chances of being in the ICU are reduced by a factor of ten or so. The death rates are probably similar.

For most people like me the vax probably makes sense. For my grandchildren it perhaps makes no sense at all. After a full year of shots we should know a lot more. We’re talking huge populations here.

44 posted on 01/10/2022 8:55:58 AM PST by William Tell
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To: KC_Lion; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; Impy

“See that iceberg up ahead? We can avoid it and sink or crash into it and sink. Full steam ahead!”

Makes negative sense.
But we’re living in clownworld, so it makes perfect clownworld sense.


45 posted on 01/10/2022 9:01:36 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: RomanSoldier19
By that standard, about 24 unvaccinated people per 100,000 are in an Alberta hospital. That rate drops to fewer than eight after just one shot.

What about that don't you understand? The unvaccinated are at greater risk.

46 posted on 01/10/2022 9:07:51 AM PST by Kazan
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What about that don’t you understand? The unvaccinated are at greater risk.


Greater risk FROM COVID

The vaccinated are at a greater risk of ADVERSE VACCINE REACTIION.

Only when this is added into the calculation could your statement be proven or disproven.


47 posted on 01/10/2022 9:37:21 AM PST by Hieronymus
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https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-safety-outcomes/unvaccinated-people-14-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-cdc-says.html

Unvaccinated adults are nearly six times more likely to test positive for COVID-19 and 14 times more likely to die from the virus compared to vaccinated individuals, new CDC data shows.

The data, posted Nov. 22, reflect COVID-19 cases and deaths reported in 24 U.S. jurisdictions between April 4 and Oct. 2.

48 posted on 01/10/2022 10:59:37 AM PST by Kazan
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To: RomanSoldier19

The shot’s purpose isn’t to keep you from getting the cold and flu. It’s purpose is to kill.


49 posted on 01/10/2022 11:32:23 AM PST by Trillian
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To: Kazan

Perhaps (though I think most data out there is likely garbage), but even granting those numbers, to calculate risk, you need to know what the risk from the vaccine is. Without that variable, you can’t do proper risk-benefit analysis.

I have heard of one case from someone who knew the people involved of a vax death being chalked up to COVID—dying three days after the vax was received and in death testing positive for COVID when they were negative before the vax—it doesn’t take too much of that to make all the statistics completely wonky.


50 posted on 01/10/2022 12:27:43 PM PST by Hieronymus
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I have heard of one case from someone who knew the people involved of a vax death being chalked up to COVID—dying three days after the vax was received and in death testing positive for COVID when they were negative before the vax—it doesn’t take too much of that to make all the statistics completely wonky.

It's no better or worse than anti-vax crowd claiming 99-year Betty White died because of the vaccine or any sudden cardiac death in an athlete being blamed on it.

There doesn't any subject without a political agenda attached to it.

51 posted on 01/10/2022 4:00:28 PM PST by Kazan
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