Posted on 01/03/2022 7:43:15 AM PST by SJackson
When Thomas Jefferson ordered the first Indian Catalogue (multi volumes, very hard to find), they concluded there were some 200 or so known tribes in the areas they could get to.
We now know there is huge ethnic diversity among Indians, from true “Red Men”, in the northeast, who when indoors for a while look European, but out in the Sun will quickly turn bright red; to the Pima Indians of the southwest, who look purplish-black, not brownish-black like Africans; to the Mexican Yucatan Indians, who often have olive skin and blue eyes, much like people in the Mediterranean.
There were several waves of Indian immigrants to the Americas. The later waves were the dominant warrior tribes when Europeans arrived. Often very cultured tribes lived next door to tribes that were still mostly stone age.
The 574 federally recognized tribes today, not counting indigenous peoples in Alaska, Hawaii, and US territories who were never given tribal status, have their own registries of members that are full blooded, mixed, and on/off their reservations. There is still much litigation about who are “real” Indians.
For example, a recent court case determined that tribes cannot be forced to recognize Africans that had been slaves to their tribes for generations.
Ah but many tribes like the Cherokee for example both intermarried AND adopted both Blacks and Whites. So people with 0% Cherokee DNA or only 50% Cherokee DNA were absolutely considered to be and considered themselves to be part of the tribe. How do you account for that?
Then there is the fact that in some cases it can be far enough back as to be very difficult to identify even in a DNA test. In my family lore, my Great Great Grandmothers’ family in the mid 19th century said that it was their Grandmother (or great grandmother) from back in North Carolina was Cherokee. That did not show up when my brother had a DNA test done but that could have been as far back as 7 generations ago. Even if its true that would make us 1/128th Cherokee. 1% of his DNA showed up as “indeterminate” so the family lore “could” be true according to the DNA test.
This is where the race hustlers are taking us. ie back to the 1 drop rule. How about we just be Americans and treat each other equally instead? (that means abolish all race based affirmative action).
It's probably true.
LOL Not only an Indian, but a pioneer on the Oregon Trail, too?
The problem with DNA is that the marker used for Amercan Indians is Asian. That’s why many Germans test 2% Indian, which has more to do with the Mongol invasion.
“ This is where the race hustlers are taking us. ie back to the 1 drop rule. How about we just be Americans and treat each other equally instead? (that means abolish all race based affirmative action).”
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So true.
My 7th Great Grandparents were Wampanoag.
It shows up in my DNA.
The real way to solve the issue at hand is stop being racist and giving certain races special treatment, loans, benefits.
I thought there were too many chiefs.
Im 3/64 American... or 1/16 depending on who’s counting ...
My Vermont born 3rd great grandmother married a 1/2 American 1/2 Canadian making my 2 GG father a 3/4 American and so on ...
Actually that 1/2 and half had American parents ... Loyalists who had fled to Canada ...so he was American born in Canada ...
All the ancestors on both sides for several generations were Americans ... back to the early 1600s ...
That 2 GG father left Canada for New Zealand ...
As children in New Zealand, we called ourselves Americans which impressed our school mates ...
:)
Our government’s creation of seperate societies with seperate “rights” are a major driver to all this...
Where’s my casino ?
It is the old libertarian rule—if your subsidize something you get more of it.
That includes fake Indians!
Yes, they probably do.
DH was doing genealogy way back, though, with real records. Not saying what he got was thorough, or even accurate, but it wasn’t a website.
And I miss Genealogy.com. THAT was great for forum and finding people of interest. I got a whole passel of info from a distant relative who answered my posting! Then Ancestry bought it. No more forum, no “free” info.
I’ve heard NPR interview this bird brain ‘geneticist’ that is a Navajo womaYn. Speaks with a liberal peppering of ‘like’, ‘um’, ‘really’, ‘yeah, um, like, litterally’...her thang is that you are a systemic racissss if you think people that claim to being INDIGENOUS, take a dna test before getting $$$$$, fake jobs, free housing, etc. What a coincidence!
And Lizzy Warren is still fake as they come.
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Those that sided with the British during the American Revolution - sent packing. Those that remained neutral or sided with the Colonists - welcome.
We recently got a “white guy” General Manager at my plant. White guy name, redneck blue collar Texas upbringing (he went to High school with one of my enginners). Also, he was TOTALLY under qualified for the position.
HR let it slip he was of “Portugese Descent” and therefore “Hispanic” on their Affirmative Action Chart.
The “Affirmative Action” scam is real.
That and her Indian was Squanto, and she also had white ancestors on the Mayflower.
(That’s for all the people who claim to be from the Mayflower or Ellis Island. Both of which are themselves steeped in nonsense myth making everyone want to claim it.)
I mean, there really is no evidence of just about any of them anywhere. I’ve been up and down the coast and nowhere, especially my own home, has much in the way of historic remains, much less PEOPLE.
I think we have had a fake Indian problem for a very long time. If I had a dollar for everyone who has told me that they are part Indian, I’d have several thousand dollars. I’ve read that the craze to identify as part Indian started in the late 1890s after Indians stopped being considered a threat and started being looked at as interesting or quaint. Now that minorities of all types are getting preferences more and more white people are identifying as minorities, a reverse of what used to be minorities claiming to be white.
I think that the DNA testing is one cause. My DNA test didn’t show any indigenous DNA but my family tree shows two sources - one is of course Cherokee, supposedly my ggg grandmother named Rachel. The other is simply listed as East Chesapeake bay shore Indian. No name. I’ve never tried to use these tenuous lines to get anything. Our granddaughter is however over one/third Native American through her birth father but its from South America. I did look into whether she can get a scholarship, we have an institution in our community that used to be called Haskell Indian Institute. Now its Haskell College I think. But you have to be registered with a tribe. Sounds racist to me.
Ever been to North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia????
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