Posted on 01/02/2022 12:44:19 PM PST by grundle
No. He was carrying that 6# maul and so he saw the problem as a nail.
Bad shoot, using a rifle indoors. A miss on the sidewalk would have been stopped by a masonry wall. Inside it’s wallboard and plaster. What perverse training calls for a rifle indoors? That raises the likelihood of “collateral damage” unacceptably. Do these guys not practice with their handguns?
Police pretty much operation as a military squad now. He was the heavy lifter, they had to have a rifle there because you don’t know what the ‘suspect’ might have or the encounter might produce. .Gov has a high tolerance for acceptable loses.
Maybe that term is intended to also incorporate Lusophone (i.e. Portuguese) speakers, such as Brazilians, who aren’t of Spanish (Hispanic) background.
No excuse. At twenty feet a pistol is indicated. There should be no rifle indoors. It is either stupid or is looking to maximise collateral damage.
The shots happen at the 29:00 mark.
The officer is most definitely an idiot who should never have been issued a gun. He fires at a guy who only has a bike lock, in a crowded department store. His bullets penetrate the thin wall behind the guy and hit the girl in the changing room.
I watched the video. Why not use an automatic weapon or a rifle grenade? The police M16 has surely got select-fire capability. Spraying would have insured hitting the perp even more with lots of satisfying holes in the wall.
Hispanic means "Spanish speaking" and has nothing to do with race.(Current usage notwithstanding) The word may be appropriately applied to a Spaniard, a Mexican, a Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, Argentine etc.
"Latino" refers to people from Latin America or their descendants who are generally of mixed race, combining Southern European and Native American genetic qualities. "Latina" is the feminine form. Latin America is called that because the area was conquered and settled by the Spanish and Portuguese, who speak Latin based languages (NOTE: Brazilians, who speak Portuguese, are not technically "Hispanic" but are "Latino"d while Spaniards in Spain are "Hispanic" but not "Latino")
In short, if you do not speak Spanish routinely, you are not "Hispanic". If you are an American from Latin America or are descended from Latin American forebears, you might be called a Latino whether you speak Spanish or not...or just an "American" (My preference).
But hey, precision in language is so 20th century. Who cares if people understand what you mean or if you understand them as long as we can all get offended over it.
So what do Hispanic folks prefer to be called?
I am not big on following PC talk. I know many folks who are deaf and hard of hearing, and identify as Deaf (big D Deaf). For them it’s a cultural thing, a point of identity that actually transcends race in an amazing way. And that does apply to those who are hard of hearing as well.
They resent the PC hearing world’s term of *hearing impaired * as they resent both the concept that there’s something wrong with them, like they are less of a person because of their deafness, and someone else deciding for them what they should be labeled as, especially someone who has no connection to Deaf culture.
So I prefer to find out from people themselves what their preference is for being addressed.
That was my criticism. An AR-15 is not the right application in a crowded store. The chance of a friendly causality through ricochet and/or over penetration is to high. Handgun with hollow point ammo is the best choice. But even that’s no guarantee.
Yeah, identifying every white person as Anglo-Saxon doesn’t work either, as I am full Eastern European with NO Anglo-Saxon in me. The furthest west I can trace my lineage is a little bit of Prussian according to family history.
only after ricocheting off the floor. Which should always be a consideration when shooting something indoors that goes 3000 fps.
“ It looked to me like a good shoot of a very bad guy, with an unfortunate outcome from one stray round.”
That “unfortunate outcome” would land a “civilian” in prison for manslaughter. Cops should be held to the same standard.
Rule #4.
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3 shots. Two into the suspect, one bounced off the ground thru the wall. That could have happened with a pistol as well. I don’t have a answer. Perhaps, the cop should have entered into hand to hand combat, etc etc.
RE: a wake up call for woke....
She’s dead so is it a woke call for her wake? If she’s an Irish Catholic.
Origin of the term:
Traditionally, the wake is a Catholic ceremony based in part on the Celtic traditions of Ireland. Those traditions dictated that family and close friends should stay awake through the night with the deceased in order to offer protection from evil spirits. Once buried, all was safe.
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Don’t mean to be insulting to the memory of the innocent 14 year old. May she rest in peace.
The Black Lives Matter supporter does need to be insulted with great vigor and energy. Schmuck.
Bird killed Ashley Babbitt and was cleared of any wrong-doing. I wonder why? He had less operational/situational reason to shoot than did this policeman.
Let’s find out “why”!!
Could have happened but less likely. A hollowpoint pistol round after a ricochet is rather less likely to penetrate a wall than a rifle round. I guess, to put a brighter take on it it could have been a .308 which might well have gone through the dressing room, the señorita and killed another customer in the aisle. My real gripe about inappropriate weaponry is the tasers which are configured to look and feel like pistols. That is guaranteed to kill detainees inadvertently and has at least twice that I recall. The crime there is the designer and the acceptor though it is the officer who pays.
Where’s the actual evidence that the bullet hit the floor?
From the video, the cop did three rapid shots, from a range of about 10 yards, which appeared to hit center mass.
The cop was "itching" to stop the bloody beating the woman writhing on the floor was undergoing.
The woman was screaming, covered in blood and trying to crawl away from the Hispanic bad guy (using Hispanic cos that's the term LAPD uses..."white, Black, Hispanic or Asian" when they ask about race of bad guys.)
Since Columbine, most police forces have modified their response procedures. When there is someone obviously being attacked, the officers are trained to run toward the bad guy. They are not social workers, nor are they mental health specialists. Even if the bad guy truly was mentally ill, the cop took appropriate step in stopping the attack. That's what the cops are there for, to stop the bad guy.
I find all this discussion about mental health and "maybe he should have used less lethal force" to be silly. I saw a less lethal bean bad rifle/shotgun in one offier's hand; if that were a viable option, they would have used it.
I call it an unfortunate but justifiable incident.
Sadly, the officer violated one of the gun safety rules (always know what's behind your target), but in the heat of the moment, he did the right thing. He stopped the threat. I feel horrible for the young girl's family (if you watch the video, you can hear her mother, who was in the dressing room with her (they were sheltering in place, as the store was telling the customers to do) shrieking, a heart-wrenching sound.
If blame is to be assigned, let's blame the store. The guy was wreaking havoc for at least 15 minutes...where was store security? Who was watching the cameras that videoed almost every minute of his tirade? Were I a betting woman, and a lawyer, I'd advise the girl's family to go after the store.
Sorry to go on for so long, but this one really bothered me. Nothing personal of course!
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