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To: DoodleBob
AP:...Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease,

You: COMIRNATY is a vaccine indicated for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2...

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I'm not agreeing that this happens, but you both say they prevent the severe. You just lost your own argument.

8 posted on 12/29/2021 9:03:22 AM PST by conservative98
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To: conservative98

Actually it’s HIGHLY speculative that the “vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease”, as the Omicron variant itself has proven to be significantly less virulent regardless of a persons vaccination status.


10 posted on 12/29/2021 9:13:34 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: conservative98

The “severe” in the Comirnaty quote is part of an acronym (SARS). That makes the difference.

Your interpretation is that they were meant to prevent severe SARS, and that’s not what they claimed in the FDA application. Pfizer claimed their jabs would prevent SARS, period. And they’ve failed spectacularly in that claim.


12 posted on 12/29/2021 9:18:10 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: conservative98
Thank you for the comment. The "severe" you highlight, is not an adjective but is part of the technical name of the virus:

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS‑CoV‑2) is the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019), the respiratory illness responsible for the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. The virus previously had a provisional name, 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), and has also been called human coronavirus 2019 (HCoV-19 or hCoV-19).

In addition, in other places in the approval documents etc., the word "severe" as a qualifier is absent.

I'll even go further - if people are older, immunocompromised, have comorbidities, and want to get the shots because there SEEMS to be a correlation between getting the shot and staying out of the hospital and morgue, I'd never criticize them. Healthcare is a personal choice.

AND, with the ability to detect Omicron still in the early days, how can ANYONE state what was stated in this article with the ASSURANCE they convey? I'd be OK if they said "we THINK boosters will help prevent Omicron" or "we THINK shots will keep you above room temperature and at home." But instead we get Chris Beyrer, a professor of epidemiology at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told The Associated Press. “And it also implies that there is no benefit in the face of omicron to being vaccinated and that’s also not true.”

17 posted on 12/29/2021 9:36:23 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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