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1 posted on 12/23/2021 10:53:50 AM PST by RomanSoldier19
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Hard to argue with him. Look how we reacted to the Soviets putting missiles in Cuba. Why would we not expect the Russians to do the same, when we go in their backyard.

I make the deal. The Russians promise hands off on states already in NATO, in exchange for our pledging that Ukraine will never be a NATO member. Just as we did with Austria in exchange for the Soviets leaving their sector of the country after the war.


2 posted on 12/23/2021 10:59:48 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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What could we get in exchange? He sounds desperate.Carter gave up the neutron bomb and got nothing.


3 posted on 12/23/2021 11:00:35 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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The west will gauge whether or not they can call Putin’s gambit a bluff or actual threat. I suspect they will punt in someway, trying to make the Russian border buildup cost Putin over time without giving Putin all he wants.


5 posted on 12/23/2021 11:01:55 AM PST by Wuli
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Frankly, I understand Russia’s position. Historically, Russia is both a paranoid country as well as one that seeks respect. The latter could be that it was never fully accepted in European circles.

I do not know what our issue is with Ukraine—why do we have such a hard on for that country and all the shenigans we have played a part in there...

And for Europe itself to rely on Russian nat gas....


7 posted on 12/23/2021 11:02:52 AM PST by abigkahuna (How can you be at two places at once when you are nowhere at all?)
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Given China and the Muslims, Russia should be somewhat of an ally.


8 posted on 12/23/2021 11:04:01 AM PST by alternatives?
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Ukraine in NATO?

Not just no, but he!! NO!!!

Jeeze. Forever war, inc, is chomping at the bit. “Spend that ammo! We’ll make moar!!!”


9 posted on 12/23/2021 11:05:01 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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Not in favor of Ukraine becoming part of NATO, but we should tell the homicidal tyrant running Russia to go **** himself.


12 posted on 12/23/2021 11:13:07 AM PST by twister881
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To: RomanSoldier19

sounds like Austria’s ultimatum to Serbia in 1914


15 posted on 12/23/2021 11:21:58 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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NATO is well past its “expiration date”. The Europeans should be able to defend Europe.


17 posted on 12/23/2021 11:38:52 AM PST by captain_dave
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PUTIN: “We are not the ones that deploy missiles next to the U.S. borders. That’s the other way around...What would Americans do if we went to the border between Canada and the U.S. or to the border with Mexico and deploy our missiles there?”

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1474073981242298370


18 posted on 12/23/2021 11:40:30 AM PST by McGruff
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This is posturing by Putin so that he can justify an attack on the Ukraine. He knows perfectly well that NATO will not invite the Ukraine to join. He also knows that NATO can not state this outright, uncertainty is key to deterrence.

Putin needs to generate a threat to Russia, the country is stagnating and the oligarchy he sits atop is bleeding Russia dry. Defeating a “foreign threat” and reclaiming parts of Ukraine for Russia will boost his prestige inside Russia, and help neuter his opponents.


22 posted on 12/23/2021 12:04:38 PM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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Putin’s plan sounds like it will work, and he won’t even have to pay The Big Guy 10%.


26 posted on 12/23/2021 12:37:17 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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Putin is going in.....period.


33 posted on 12/23/2021 1:59:11 PM PST by wardamneagle
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Putin will go in because Brandon and the Transvestite Joint Chiefs will no nada.


36 posted on 12/23/2021 2:09:30 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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Someone needs to explain to ol’ Vlad that china is a much greater threat to Mother Russia than what NATO will ever be.


40 posted on 12/23/2021 3:02:28 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying Too All.)
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We should meet his demands. It's beyond silly to start a conflict with Russia over Ukraine.

Ukraine needs to be told to let Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk go. Those regions no longer want to be a part of Ukraine.

42 posted on 12/23/2021 4:15:47 PM PST by Kazan
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