Posted on 12/16/2021 12:58:39 PM PST by RomanSoldier19
Russia has submitted draft documents outlining security arrangements it wants to negotiate with the US and its Nato allies amid spiralling tensions over Ukraine.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said a senior Russian envoy stood ready to leave immediately for talks on the proposal in a neutral country.
Mr Peskov told reporters that Russian President Vladimir Putin may have another call with US President Joe Biden before the year’s end to discuss the security issue, but he said it had not been agreed to yet.
In a video call with Mr Putin last week, Mr Biden voiced concern about a build-up of Russian troops near Ukraine and warned him that Russia would face “severe consequences” if Moscow attacked its neighbour.
Mr Putin has denied plans to launch an invasion and reversed the conversation by prodding western leaders to provide legally binding guarantees precluding Nato’s expansion to Ukraine and the deployment of the alliance’s weapons there, calling such actions a “red line” for Moscow.
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He hasn't stopped laughing from the last call yet.
The conditions of negotiation already give Putin what he wants, which is to say making Ukraine a non-entity with no independent voice over its own future.
Sort of what I was thinking.
I suspect that they will propose a win/win to NATO.
It’s probably rediculous, but if rejected, they get to take umbrage, but if it gets accepted, all the better.
LOL. “legal guarantees” aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
Just FYI - Ukraine had an honestly and duly-elected President in 2014, who was overthrown by a coup/color revolution. Does it have an "independent voice" over its future?
Deja Vu all over again for old (88) people like me...
Seem to remember December 1941 and the same sort of slight-of-hand crap...
Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr, would have called this Ruski move a “Rope-a-Dope”...
Ukraine has had free and fair elections in in 1991, 1994, 1999, 2004, 2010, 2014 and 2019. Let me know when Russia has one free and fair election.
Russian propaganda.
That puppet fled the country and went in exile to Russia.
Ha, we missed out on a free and presidential elections several times.
LOL. They can model it on our 2020 election. Or rather, Democrats/the US deep-state and Putin's United Russia seem to be sharing a playbook.
Russian PM warns NATO admission of Georgia could trigger 'terrible conflict'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-nato-georgia/russian-pm-warns-nato-admission-of-georgia-could-trigger-terrible-conflict-idUSKBN1KR1UQ
“The conditions of negotiation already give Putin what he wants, which is to say making Ukraine a non-entity with no independent voice over its own future. “
The US has absolutely no interests in, or about Ukraine.
None.
Why would we care if Russia absorbed them? After all, they’ve never been a real independent country before...
Invading is too costly and Putin knows it. Ukraine joining NATO is a show stopper. EVERYONE knows that so what’s the solution?-simple. Russia gets out of the country and takes EVERY ethnic Russian out of the Ukraine. The historic lands(Crimea/Donbass) are negotiable. Just get the hell out. Nobody likes them. Security can be guaranteed easily. Any Russian that has no place to go home to can come to the west. We have a need for them more than the moozlems.
Any sane POTUS focused exclusively on US interests would tell Russia we don’t care what happens east of the Dnipier. Or in Georgia.
But we could use some help with “the Iranian problem”.
Real Politik.
Ukraine has been a free and independent country since 1991. Arguing that past Russian enslavement of nations gives Russia the right to enslave those nations again is monstrously amoral.
Our interest is in not allowing the map of Europe to be redrawn by force, which was already responsible for two world wars. In addition, simply feeding Putin’s appetite for more threats of force is, in and of itself, simply stupid beyond imagining. You’d have to be a fool to think his ambition is limited to Ukraine, and giving him a free hand there simply makes more resources for him available elsewhere.
“Arguing that past Russian enslavement of nations gives Russia the right to enslave those nations again is monstrously amoral.”
Making it a moral issue is naive, at best.
US interests are the ONLY issue at stake. And we have none in Ukraine.
Moral issues as a basis for Foreign Policy is what Democrats do.
“Our interest is in not allowing the map of Europe to be redrawn by force”
On the surface that sounds reasonable.
Should we have also prevented the forceful coup in Ukraine in 2014? No, because we have no interests there.
Ah yes, it’s like what the Star Wars prequels called “aggressive negotiations”. Except, instead of negotiations with a lightsaber, this time it’s negotiations with your army parked on your neighbor’s border.
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