A recent spy case shows how China has been able to pull off its whirlwind military modernization

Business Insider ^ | 13 December 2021 | Stavros Atlamazoglou

[blueplum]

....According to the FBI and Department of Justice, Xu had since 2013 used multiple aliases to target US and third-country aviation companies and experts in that field. He would invite them to China on academic pretexts and then slowly lure them to espionage.

Xu's arrest and conviction are unique and shed light on a shadowy conflict in which Beijing is trying to wrestle global supremacy from the US using any means possible. Military secrets aren't the only target. The US's top counterintelligence agency estimates that Beijing steals $200 billion to $600 billion worth of economic secrets from the US every year....

...China seeks the most advanced tech available, the MSS uses three complementary approaches to steal or otherwise obtain military and industrial secrets.

First, with traditional human intelligence operations...

[Jonty30]

Stolen from the US.

They also did an amazing job at working through consumer publications, like Popular Science and Popular Mechanics, to figure out from them how to advance their military.

China sent out students, worldwide, whose only job, while going to universities, was to sit in libraries and read all the public magazines they could and send home anything of value.

[Gaffer]

I retired as a University Researcher with 30 years. Worked at an institute that mainly did government research and we occasionally used academic staff to help out. They very often wanted to have their grad students on the job. My biggest problem was that most were foreign Chinese nationals and I always had to condition the work that they had to have a US security clearance. Even with that, I used to joke with other researchers confronted with the same problem that whatever you learned during the daytime very likely ended up in Beijing by nightfall...

[rdcbn1]

Was in a similar position and my experience was that there was massive active espionage on the part of the Chinese. Much of it was ignored by the by the faculty, Dept Heads and the administration because the university and they themselves were making big bucks from China and were getting access to brilliant Chinese students, funded by the Chinese government, to do their research contracts inexpensively due to Chinese subsidization, allowing them to rake in bucks

[Lazamataz]

China Iz Azzhole

中國是個混蛋

[Gaffer]

I never trusted a one of them and made sure they never got any access to any classified information. I even imposed ITAR, EAR and/or SAP when I could find those kinds of restrictions delineated in the government contracts. Made sure the university AND academic professors were keenly aware of them.

[Brian Griffin]

International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)

Export Administration Regulations (EAR): Regulates dual-use items not covered by ITAR

SAP I believe is a type of export management software.

[Brian Griffin]

What the Chinese can’t steal is honesty and integrity.

[Brian Griffin]

The Chinese have a broad economic base which gives them the funds necessary for military upgrading.

[Gaffer]

Yep

[GingisK]

Their leaders are smart, and have a plan. Our leaders are stupid, and don’t have a clue.

[bankwalker]

Stolen from the US.

and also purchased from certain corrupt U.S.A. politicians ...

[PIF]

China seeks the most advanced tech available, the MSS uses three complementary approaches to steal or otherwise obtain military and industrial secrets.

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The entire point of all of the CCP’s spying and thieving of other people’s tech is to create an ultimate weapon, the next super weapon. ts not so much that the Chinese cannot innovate but they cannot innovate fast enough.

Also. there is no way to predict where this new weapon will come from, which country, which field, what it will look like, what it does or does not do. Therefore they must steal from the rest of the world to find this weapon first.

Its called Project 863, the search for the next super weapon ; would change the world as the advent of the nuclear bomb did.
https://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/69-23583.aspx#startofcomments

[SunkenCiv]

This doesn't include the defense secrets the Clintoons sold to them.

[GOPJ]

Xu's arrest and conviction are unique and shed light on a shadowy conflict in which Beijing is trying to wrestle global supremacy from the US using any means possible. Military secrets aren't the only target. The US's top counterintelligence agency estimates that Beijing steals $200 billion to $600 billion worth of economic secrets from the US every year...

We're spending billions of dollars on 'intelligence' now and this kind of crap keeps happening? BIG WASTE OF MONEY - WE NEED MORE THOUGHT PUT INTO INTELLIGENCE AND LESS TECHNOLOGY.

[keving]

Well that is true however their technology is more than a generation old. I’m sure the US above them right now

[Grimmy]

All of our big-name defense industries have a business presence in CCP China.

A careful read of the rules for US companies doing business in CCP China will discover a required tech transfer from the US business to CCP China as part of the price to have a business in China.

So, what isn’t stolen is handed over willingly.

Every single GeeWhiz! OMG! Superduper weapon or enhanced capability that the usual suspects point to as proof CCP China is gonna kick our butts was created by us and handed to them. China doesn’t invent a damn thing on its own.