Posted on 12/13/2021 8:41:36 AM PST by george76
At the end of August, a study was published showing that natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. It was described by UCL’s Francois Balloux as “a bit of a bombshell”.
Subsequent studies have compared natural and vaccine-induced immunity at the cellular level. One found that infection-induced antibodies “exhibited superior stability and cross-variant neutralisation breadth” than vaccine-induced antibodies, suggesting that people who’d already been infected had better immunity against the then-novel Delta variant.
However, as I noted in my write-up of the “bombshell” study, its findings still needed to be replicated. After all, certain datasets or methods of analysis can sometimes yield quirky results, which don’t survive independent empirical tests.
Encouragingly, the findings now have been replicated – by another team of Israeli researchers, using a different dataset.
In the latest study, Yair Goldberg and colleagues tracked all the individuals in their dataset (of people in Israel) who had tested positive or received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine before 1st July, 2021. They then compared the number of infections in previously infected versus vaccinated individuals from August to September of 2021.
The researchers also examined the number of infections among those with so-called ‘hybrid immunity’ – i.e., previously infected individuals who got vaccinated.
For each of the three groups, they counted the number of infections and the number of days ‘at risk’ (i.e., the total number of people multiplied by the number of days on which they were ‘at risk’ of becoming infected). Adjustments were made for age, sex, ethnicity, calendar week and a measure of risk exposure.
Results are shown in the chart below. Each bar corresponds to the infection rate per 100,000 ‘risk days’. The reason the researchers used ‘risk days’, rather than just ‘people’, is that the composition of each group changed over time. For example, some previously infected people chose to get vaccinated.
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Notice that the labels for the horizontal bars are not the same for each group. Since we want to compare apples with apples, look at the bars labelled “Recovered 6–8 months” and “Vaccinated 6–8 months”.
This comparison shows that, 6–8 months after the corresponding event, infection rates were more than six times higher among vaccinated individuals – 89 per 100,000 versus only 14 per 100,000 among previously infected individuals.
The chart also shows that infection rates were lower still among those with hybrid immunity, which is consistent with what the earlier study found. However, the difference between the hybrid group and the recovered group was relatively small. For example, infection rates at 6–8 months were only 20% higher in the recovered group.
Goldberg and colleagues’ study confirms that natural immunity does wane, though much more slowly than vaccine-induced immunity. Anyone claiming the contrary now has to contend with not one, but two, high quality studies.
There's a phrase you won't see on Twitter; natural immunity facts cause Twitter Tw@+ mods to break out in hives.
“These vaccines are fully approved and it is incorrect to call them ‘experimental’”
They’re still being given under Emergency Use Authorization which is not the same as full approval. But you knew that.
Regardless, we decline this drug. Maybe after 5 years of full clinical trials we will change our minds. Until then, our answer is “no”.
Enjoy your day.
L
Lurker wrote: “They’re still being given under Emergency Use Authorization which is not the same as full approval. But you knew that.”
The drugs under the EUA are identical too and interchangeable with the drugs fully approved. IOW, you’re dragging a red herring.
Natural immunity to SARS-1 is going on 18 years, and, counting.
No reason to think SARS-2 natural immunity would not provide the same.
Sad that so many have sacrificed/compromised their own, God given immune systems, to BigPharma.....for something that is 99% survivable.
$CIENCE.
Have you heard the creepy, nonstrop ads, for Comirnaty?
Not even the vials (of $hots) that are currently being given to the sheeple.
Talk about deceptive advertising.
Thank you.
“The drugs under the EUA are identical too and interchangeable with the drugs fully approved.”
Um, not according to their lawyers they’re not. And that argument is irrelevant to us. We will not take these drugs. We don’t want them.
You’re welcome to as much of it as you want.
But for us the answer is “no”.
Now please go about your day without me.
Thanks.
L
Specifically, NOT firing him as Peter Navarro wanted him to, or even dealing with him and the scarf b***h by... extraordinary means if necessary.
With the benefit of hindsight, of course.
Unfortunately, it was a big mistake.
“Fauci is Trump’s greatest mistake. Specifically, NOT firing him as Peter Navarro wanted him to”
THANK YOU!!
You’re welcome.
Lurker wrote: “Um, not according to their lawyers they’re not. “
They are considered ‘legally distinct’ since only one can be marketed, ie, comirnaty. Explain how two products that are identical and interchangeable cannot be the same product?
12/12/21
“If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?”
12/13/21
“WAYNE ROOT: If the Vaccine is So Great, Why are So Many People Dropping Dead? Heart Attacks Skyrocket, Children Suffer Heart Problems, Soccer Players Dropping on Fields, ICUs Overwhelmed From Coast to Coast”
Building herd immunity only works if it lasts.
Your bucket leaks way too fast for you to ever fill it up.
If Jenner’s first experience with vaccines had been this bad they would have abandoned the technology. These only have any perceived value by stealing the name from actual vaccines that work.
I think we both know the answer to that…
Hospitals are revoking access to doctors that think outside the CDC contrived box for treatments.
Why would hospitals reward people getting the truth out about non- big pharma supported treatments?
Dugway, you are too silly.
Triple wrote: “Hospitals are revoking access to doctors that think outside the CDC contrived box for treatments. Why would hospitals reward people getting the truth out about non- big pharma supported treatments?”
That doesn’t explain why a million healthcare workers would purposefully want to do harm to their children? It’s absurd to think that those workers would value their jobs more than their own children.
Good job hijacking the thread promoting the clot shots.
Don’t think for a moment that many of us haven’t noticed you are ignoring the results of the study. You know, the point of this thread.
You are a parrot of the deep state. A pathetic mouthpiece of evil.
Aurorales wrote: “Don’t think for a moment that many of us haven’t noticed you are ignoring the results of the study. You know, the point of this thread.”
Even if natural immunity provides protection, doesn’t mean that acquiring natural immunity is superior to the vaccines. To get natural immunity requires becoming infected and running all the risks of a full blown infection. Including spreading the infection to others. Even if natural immunity is like a bad case of the flu for seven to ten days, it’s still a bad case of the flu. Immunity by vaccination does not require these risks. In fact, many studies show the best protection is natural immunity along with the vaccines.
Acquiring natural immunity is not something one can control unless you’re thinking of COVID parties??
Never assume people are evil, when ignorance will suffice.
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