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To: delta7

But those infected with Covid should have the same thing. (In theory)


2 posted on 12/09/2021 4:47:39 PM PST by Skywise
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To: Skywise

No, a free spike protein is much smaller than the virus. The implications should be obvious


3 posted on 12/09/2021 5:00:35 PM PST by armydoc
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To: Skywise

https://scitechdaily.com/overload-of-inflammatory-molecules-trapped-in-micro-blood-clots-may-cause-long-covid-symptoms/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211004104134.htm

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/new-cause-of-covid-19-blood-clots-identified

Just a little simple research - widely known and discussed - including well before the vaccines ever came on the scene.

There is also zero evidence to support what is in this posted article and is an old rehash / recycling of an old article (I guess they think we don’t remember this from before). You can only find multiple conspiracy websites where they played telephone using this same story and this same doctor making these comments.


9 posted on 12/09/2021 7:09:13 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Skywise

No, because COVID itself has to migrate from the nasal passages down to the deep lung tissue before it gets much of a crack at the bloodstream

The shots introduce material directly into the bloodstream, and in much larger quantities than initial exposure to live virus.

(There’s an article from the British Medical Journal back in March or April of 2021, showing mice which got the jab had material from the vaccines in most major organ systems, including passing the blood-brain barrier, within 24 hours of injection.)


12 posted on 12/09/2021 9:51:48 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Skywise

We did see coagulopathy with COVID post patients. In coagulation test manufacturers issued fda required notices about this very issue early in COVID. I am not running those now, so can’t even guess at the vax effect. Maybe it’s nothing, but if not, why risk it.


15 posted on 12/10/2021 1:01:56 AM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with. )
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To: Skywise

Those infected with the C flu should have the same as artificial induced MRNA? How wrong you are. Don’t argue with me, argue with expert doctors, tens of thousands are being ignored. Pureblood immunity is natural, MRNA is artificial synthetic man made, huge difference as this article states.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-frightening-new-potential-explanation

“ A frightening new potential explanation for vaccine-driven myocarditis and other problems
Researchers in the New England Journal of Medicine raise the possibility of an uncontrolled autoimmune response to the coronavirus spike protein that may last indefinitely

Alex Berenson
Nov 26
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Downstream effects of the antibodies that people produce against the coronavirus spike protein may lead to myocarditis and even neurological concerns, two veteran medical researchers have written in the top medical journal in the United States.

Our immune systems produce these antibodies in response to both vaccination and natural infection with Covid. However - though the researchers do not say so explicitly, possibly because doing so would be politically untenable - spike protein antibody levels are MUCH higher following vaccination than infection. Thus the downstream response to vaccination may be more severe.

The NEJM published the short paper Wednesday in its Basic Implications of Clinical Observations series. One of the writers is an oncologist and professor at Harvard Medical School; the other is a cancer researcher who has his own lab at the University of California, Davis.…”


17 posted on 12/10/2021 11:13:31 AM PST by delta7
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To: Skywise

“But those infected with Covid should have the same thing. (In theory)”

It’s not just theory. The fact that the covid virus causes dangerous clotting was well established before vaccines were rolled out.

Here’s a PubMed paper on it from November 6, 2020:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7644431/

Blood clots in COVID-19 patients: Simplifying the curious mystery

“New clinical findings of SARS-CoV-2 pathogenesis are coming out every day, and one such mystery is the formation of mysterious blood clots in the various tissues and organs of COVID-19 patients, which needs critical attention.”

“autopsies of COVID-19 patients have revealed clots in the small vessels of the lungs, heart, liver, and kidney which are responsible for strokes and heart attacks. More than 33% of critical COVID-19 patients’ are reported with critically high levels of blood clotting or elevated levels of D-dimer. The development of these mysterious clots causing coagulation abnormalities and thrombosis is the real concern and needs to be addressed. So, we hypothesis the possible mechanism for the formation of the vascular blood clots in COVID-19 patients.”

“Based on the literature and clinical observation of mysterious clots reported in the COVID-19 patients, expression of ACE2 in the endothelium of blood vessels, blood clotting pathways, interaction of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein with host ACE2, the pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2, and the role of ACE2 in RAS, we can hypothesize and end with the conclusion that the mysterious clots reported in the COVID-19 patients may be due to the binding of the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 with the ACE2 receptor expressed in the endothelial cells of blood vessels which may cause, vasoconstriction and activation of the intrinsic pathway of coagulation and eventually results in the formation of blood clots.”

The wild virus spike behaves differently than the vaccine version. The vaccine spike simply attaches itself to a cell wall. The wild virus spike changes its shape after attaching itself to a cell and this change of shape may be causing more tissue damage.


20 posted on 12/12/2021 11:14:00 PM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack )
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