Posted on 12/04/2021 7:06:09 AM PST by tarpit
The fugitive parents of accused Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley broke down in court Saturday morning as their charges were read aloud.
James, 45, and Jennifer, 43, Crumbley were captured early Saturday in the basement of a building on the 1100 block of Bellevue Street in Detroit, less than half a mile from the Canadian border, police confirmed.
They were taken into custody after leading authorities on a large-scale manhunt.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
True. The foreign country angle doesn’t make sense.
Mexico was the better choice.
My first thought is I feel really bad for this couple.
They didn’t want any of this. Panicked and ran.
Simple folk, in the ultimate bad situation.
Running, while not smart, I can excuse.
Idiot parents who provided handgun to crazed 15:year old minor cry after being captured in a manhunt. 🤪
And hundreds of Freepers falling for it
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......and adding to it. LOL
In this News Event, the Crumbley’s are white, Republican, Trumpsters now in the custody of the Democratic Party ergo they are going to prison after another political show trial.
That said, it’s too soon to come to conclusions but it looks like they should bear SOME of the responsibility in this shooting along with their punk kid and the school and the school district.
legitimate judge... Good luck finding one of those.🙄
All that you typed has merit for sure. That easily could be the case. I’m thoroughly sick of this case already and we have a year to go before trial at least. I couldn’t stand the constant Rittenhouse news as well. Yes I can ignore it but it’s pretty much everywhere.
Why would it be?
How can you have a gun for protection if it is locked in a safe?
I have all my weapons locked up or on my hip, but I have children. If I was an empty nester or single, they would be in a drawer or in easy access as well ass being carried.
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No this is not negligence. This kid was 15 and he can and will be tried as an adult. This concludes he is the only person bearing responsibility for these crimes. We do not have the duty to lock up any item that can be used in a crime and that includes firearms. If this were a case of negligence we would have to lock up and limit access to countless items that could be used to do harm to others. You would have to keep your kitchen knives under lock and key, your matches, the gas for your lawn mower, the keys to your truck, your baseball bats, any medications, on and on and on. All of these items have been used to harm and kill others.
The only case possible for negligence would be if the minor was very young and unaware of the danger of firearms. This is not the case so there is no negligence.
The media should NEVER be trusted.
Ain’t it funny how that works.
Hiding out in an art studio? Sounds like something Alec Baldwin would do
Negligence on the part of the adults...not the kid.
“Just look at the comments on Freerepublic, and we are conservatives who are supposed to want to preserve law and order.”
You nailed it, marktwain. We’re seeing the usual FR lynch mob crawl out of their holes, just as we did in the Zimmerman and Rittenhouse incidents.
The parents were not negligent. The 15 year old is the only person responsible for these crimes. If there is ANY chance of possible negligence it would be on the school administrators who were directly responsible for the safety of all the students. If they believed there was a threat of violence from Crumbley then it was their responsibility to remove him from the school.
“And MI has no “safe storage” law.”
By the legislature using the terms “carelessness, recklessness or negligence, but not willfully or wantonly” they create the audit trail to saying the parents were careless in the allowance of the stealing of the gun.
There is no private sale requirements for adding the issuance of trigger locks, or storage cases that are required for federal arms dealers. So a gun can be sold privately but there are a number of hoops to jump through to do it:
https://www.cashmyguns.com/blog/how-to-sell-a-gun-in-michigan/
If there are no safe storage requirements, why the laws for federal arms dealers being required to sell controlling devices? I think what the state is saying by requiring the sale of such items as part of the weapons sale is it is the responsibility for the safeguarding of the weapon by the purchaser. This is a state law, not a federal one. So by making it available for the illegal use of the weapon by not properly controlling their gun, shouldn’t alleviate them from it’s illegal use. This is why they made the law a misdemeanor rather than a felony for criminal law purposes. The possible follow on wrong full death law suit will be different. And they most likely will pay a bundle if they have it.
Reporting the stolen weapon doesn’t alleviate them of the theft by calling the cops. They are still responsible for lack of safeguarding the weapon and unless they used the trigger locks and cases, that had to be busted to be stolen, it falls under the misdemeanor clause.
It’s a badly written law.
wy69
” the gun was not in their immediate possession when it discharged.”
Under the careless part of the clause they failed to resist the availability of the procuring of the gun so a 15 year old troubled child could get at it. According to this article, he was introduced to its use, and place of storage by the parents. This is why they are being charged:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/us/crumbley-parents-charged-michigan-shooting.html
wy69
There weren't charged under the careless part of the clause. Negligent discharge can only apply to the person in physical control of the device.
That's just not the applicable statute. That was the only argument I was making in response to your post - wasn't intending to argue the actual statutory basis and framework for the case, the DA spells it out in the indictment, and negligent discharge is not in there.
380.1313. Dangerous weapon found in possession of pupil; report; confiscation by school official; determination of legal owner; "dangerous weapon" defined.(1) If a dangerous weapon is found in the possession of a pupil while the pupil is in attendance at school or a school activity or while the pupil is enroute to or from school on a school bus, the superintendent of the school district or intermediate school district, or his or her designee, immediately shall report that finding to the pupil's parent or legal guardian and the local law enforcement agency.
(2) If a school official finds that a dangerous weapon is in the possession of a pupil as described in subsection (1), the school official may confiscate the dangerous weapon or shall request a law enforcement agency to respond as soon as possible and to confiscate the dangerous weapon. If a school official confiscates a dangerous weapon under this subsection, the school official shall give the dangerous weapon to a law enforcement agency and shall not release the dangerous weapon to any other person, including the legal owner of the dangerous weapon. A school official who complies in good faith with this section is not civilly or criminally liable for that compliance.
380.1309. Conduct constituting suspension; action by teacher; report; supervision; conference; return by student; adoption of local policy by school board; definitions.(1) If a teacher in a public school has good reason to believe that a pupil's conduct in a class, subject, or activity constitutes conduct for which the pupil may be suspended from a class, subject, or activity according to the local policy required under subsection (2), the teacher may cause the pupil to be suspended from the class, subject, or activity for up to 1 full school day. The teacher shall immediately report the suspension and the reason for the suspension to the school principal and send the pupil to the school principal or the school principal's designee for appropriate action."
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