Posted on 12/02/2021 1:49:33 PM PST by marcusmaximus
A sheriff and gun expert are expressing doubt about Alec Baldwin's claim that he did not pull the trigger on the set of the film Rust, despite an attorney for the film's assistant director backing up the actor's claim.
'The trigger wasn't pulled, I didn't pull the trigger,' the actor told George Stephanopoulos in an interview set to air Thursday night, often having to pause to collect himself as he discussed the death of Halyna Hutchins.
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Bryan W. Carpenter, a weapons armorer who works for Dark Thirty Film Services, said that this is highly unlikely.
'In order to make it fire, you have to put your thumb up onto the hammer, cock the hammer all the way back, and then as the hammer is completely cocked back, then you pull the trigger and then the gun fires,' Carpenter told Fox News. 'So that's very important because that gun had to have two step process to fire. It had to be cocked and the trigger pulled to fire.'
Carpenter continued: 'Once you cock the hammer back on one of those old west guns, it doesn't take a lot to set that trigger off.'
His comments come after Santa Fe Sheriff Adan Mendoza told the outlet that 'guns don't just go off. So whatever needs to happen to manipulate the firearm, [Baldwin] did that and it was in his hands.'
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“Gun safety rules are not laws.”
They map to laws.
Rule 1 => reckless endangerment
Rule 2 => assault with a lethal weapon
Rule 3 => [attempted] murder
Rule 4 => reckless endangerment / manslaughter
Baldwin’s “but I didn’t pull the trigger” effectively admits to 3 other major felonies for which he can spend a loooong time behind bars.
It was a single action revolver. Not only did he have to pull the trigger, he had to pull the hammer back first. Not much room for that all to be “accidental.”
Baldwin’s defense attorney will probably bring up the Remington 700 as proof guns can spontaneously fire.
That all depends on who is running the tests.
Meh. I remain skeptical. If you ever have documentation of this happening, accidentally or on purpose, by all means let me know.
Frankly, the situation described is not a whole lot different than some gas-operated full-auto designs, although it probably involves a lot less hardware in motion (which in turn would require less gas). The first time I read about a primer-actuated mechanism I was skeptical, too - but they’ve actually made it into production...
Whatever. Let me know when you can prove it happened.
Reread my post #55 - I stated that it was possible "in theory", and subsequently provided an explanation. If you don't think it's possible, so what? It's an unlikely occurrence in any case...
The “not my pants” defense cracks me up. Shows how not smart petty criminals are. Back in the good old days 2019, when Live PD was still on the air one of the cops asked the perp whose pants were loaded with drugs if he knew that the owner had venereal disease! Left the perp speechless.
Nope. Not possible.
I have a single action Colt revolver model 1851. Dropping the hammer on a live round is not possible because the cylinder will not be perfectly aligned. A partially cocked hammer, that is prematurely released, will NOT hit the cap or primer, which ever the case may be. Plus my Colt has a half cocked position that locks the gun up. Bottom line is the hammer has to go all the back to turn the cylinder completely into proper position. Then the only way to release the hammer is to pull the trigger. He is BS’ing.
Yes, old Colts do have a "hair" trigger.
PS: This saying "Don't go off half-cocked” means don't go off with a gun that WON'T shoot, meaning don't go off unprepared.
Fanciful speculation without evidence does not constitute a theory. You are of the opinion that your scenario could possibly happen in real life. My opinion is that it could not. The only way to resolve this difference of opinion is to prove that such a thing has actually happened.
I do think it might be possible for an automatic revolver, such as the Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver or the Mateba Unica, to go full-auto if the trigger were defective.
You explained some of your assumptions in post #59 (full-strength hammer spring, primer setback, etc.). The conditions I described (from my memory of the original source) were far different. You consider my description to be "fanciful speculation"; at least some of your assumptions can certainly be described in the same way. We obviously disagree. As I stated previously - "If you don't think it's possible, so what?"
I do think it might be possible for an automatic revolver, such as the Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver or the Mateba Unica, to go full-auto if the trigger were defective.
As with any & all of the above, you're certainly welcome to your opinion...
Right. You made assumptions which I didn’t think reasonable. If you do think it’s possible, so what?
Put up or shut up. Prove that such a thing ever happened, if you can. Until then, I have heard your opinion, and I’m not interested in hearing it over and over.
Well watch the video. It came out last night. Baldwin says this is exactly what happened. He let slip the hammer. They teased us with the “I didn’t pull the trigger” headline.
Now that's funny! The firearm described was so well-worn and out-of-repair as to be unsafe to shoot, so you assume - what exactly? A "full-strength [hammer] spring." Your average gun owner won't replace springs until a firearm starts to malfunction, and those who do properly maintain their firearms install reduced power springs often enough, that it keeps companies like Wolff in business. But you assume a "full-strength [hammer] spring" - and apparently think that's a "reasonable" assumption. Oh, you betcha!
Put up or shut up. Prove that such a thing ever happened, if you can. Until then, I have heard your opinion, and I’m not interested in hearing it over and over.
I specifically described the malfunction, right up front, as a "theoretical possibility." If you don't like my use of the phrase, tough - it's not my job to prove anything. As I noted above, you're welcome to your contrary opinions, even when they're based on obviously 'unreasonable' assumptions like "full-power springs" in worn-out guns...
Drop it. We have different opinions. Do not make any further harassing posts to me.
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