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The sinister nature of electric car
American Thinker ^ | 12/2/2021 | Jerold Levoritz

Posted on 12/02/2021 6:41:10 AM PST by Tell It Right

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To: Sans-Culotte

It’s why come stock with a bag marshmallows and sticks while you call the insurance company.


41 posted on 12/02/2021 8:32:27 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

We helped our neighbor trim up a huge oak tree over the weekend that had gotten overgrown and was a danger to another neighbor’s house.

He RENTED a gasoline chainsaw and we and another neighbor provided electric ones plus our battery powered pole saw.

He also had a huge forklift from his business with a cherry-picker cage attachment that would extend up to 40 feet high.

The rented gasoline saw would NOT start no matter what they did, so the electrics did all the work. Some of the limbs on this tree were as big as trees all by themselves. One was 18 inches across!................


42 posted on 12/02/2021 8:40:42 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

When I was in college in the 70’s I knew a guy who was in pre law. He wanted to become a lawyer so he could save the environment. He believed that most people should not stray more that 30 miles from their place of birth. No cars or bikes or anything. Just walking. That’s how people are supposed to get around. He believed it was immoral for someone in Michigan to eat a pineapple. Pineapples do not grow naturally in MI so why should people there be allowed to have them? In the years since, every time an environmental issue comes up I think about this guy and how that issue is a stepping stone to his vision. I think we all know deep down that whatever environmentalists are bleating about today is not what they really want, and I think their end game was summed up 50 years age by that guy who wanted to be a lawyer.

My $0.02 worth.


43 posted on 12/02/2021 8:48:16 AM PST by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: Tell It Right

Try taking a look at what it costs to get a 220V - 50 AMP charging station installed in your garage and get back to us.

I won’t even go into the efficacy of the additional energy translation cost, coal/gas fired supply to electrical energy efficiency loss and the added cost to your power bill. One could say that nuclear-generated energy is a cost-effective option, but look at CA and elsewhere in liberal leftdom and say that with a straight face....


44 posted on 12/02/2021 8:48:57 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sans-Culotte

We were in Charleston SC in October. One of the parking garages had a sign up banning Chevy Bolts due to the fire hazard. I’ll bet that made those drivers feel really good.


45 posted on 12/02/2021 8:51:14 AM PST by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Yep....drive the 60-100 miles they say you can get and when you get home on a 100 degree day and park it and hook it up.... them batteries just LOVE that...


46 posted on 12/02/2021 8:51:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Right Brother

One of my daughters had an Escape hybrid. When the hybrid failed system failed, the entire car failed. The repair was too costly and ended up junking the car. She still owed about $7K on the loan.


47 posted on 12/02/2021 8:54:25 AM PST by Dutch Boy (The only thing worse than having something taken from you is to have it returned broken. )
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To: Tell It Right

Electric cars aren’t sinister. They are a tool. Not everyone has a need for that particular tool. The government forcing them on us is the entity with the sinister nature.


48 posted on 12/02/2021 8:55:39 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: beef

“The ‘issue’ is NEVER the ‘Issue’. THE ISSUE IS ALWAYS THE REVOLUTION.”.....SDS Radical member.

Environmentalism is the new home of Communism. They hide behind the façade of ‘Saving the Planet’ while implementing EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE OF THEIR SOCIALIST AGENDA.

https://cultureshield.com/PDF/45_Goals.pdf

ALL of the things that are happening in the world today, BLM, ANTIFA, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, SOCIAL MEDIA SUPPRESSION, even the PANDEMIC LOCKDOWNS are ALL CONNECTED, ORGANIZED and SYNCHRONIZED.....................


49 posted on 12/02/2021 8:58:47 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Tell It Right

The push for electric vehicles leaves out a very important part, namely food production. The production of grain and even the soybeans for your tofurkey, depends on diesel powered tractors, combines and trucks to plant, harvest and transport the product to market. There are yet to be developed any electric versions of tractors, combines and trucks and the practically of charging that combine or tractor in the middle of a field has never been considered. While you might be able to drive your EV to the food cooperative for your organic tofu hotdogs, without diesel power planting and harvesting the soybeans the shelves will be bare.


50 posted on 12/02/2021 9:06:00 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Red Badger

They have obviously hitched their wagon to environmentalism, but I am not sure that even the communists understand what the real goals are.

For all their awfulness, the commies never sought the extermination of all their people. Communism was a response to the industrial revolution, and the goal was to redistribute the products of that revolution. No industry, no communism. OTOH, when environmentalists get together and talk amongst themselves, they pine for the right virus to come along. They want to cull the herd and rewild what is left. I don’t think even communists will go for that.


51 posted on 12/02/2021 9:24:26 AM PST by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: beef

Environmentalists are simply the tools, the ‘Useful Idiots’, the ‘Bolsheviks’ of this Revolution. When it is over, they will be as well................


52 posted on 12/02/2021 9:45:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Gaffer
I had an electrician look at it while he was here doing other work (running electrical lines for me to convert my old natural gas appliances to electric ones). He told me he'd charge about $400 to run me two outlets (120V/12 AMP and 240V/50 AMP) to coincide with the F-150 Lightning's free chargers (if I decide to get an EV -- I'm just crunching the numbers for now).

He said he'd add about $1,100 do that if I wanted to double the lines and add a small breaker panel for a special option my solar inverter has. So for $1,500 I'd have a 120V/12A outlet and a 240V/50A outlet tied to the constant power panel (normal circuits), with another 120V/12A outlet and 240V/50A outlets tied to the new panel that would be powered intermittently but always powered with free power. My solar inverter has an output I can set it to power a circuit (or breaker panel) intermittently only if my home solar batteries are charged to a certain level. The idea is to power things that don't need constant power, like charging a car that's already mostly charged or charging power tools you need once per week or so, only if you have more than enough solar/battery power to make it through the night before the sun comes up the next day. (Say, if I need my home solar batteries to be 75% charged to power the house through the night, then any charge level above that can be used for things on circuits I designate as unnecessary but nice to have if power is available). For anything that needs constant power, plug into a normal constant circuit. But anything that doesn't need constant power (i.e. recharging power tools I probably won't need for a week), plug into an excess power circuit.

Let's say my wife or I (or both) come home with the EV and it's at least 75% charged (3/4 tank in gas car lingo) and we have nothing but regular trips planned for the rest of the week (remember, the gas car is preferred for long trips, so only short trips in the EV). So in other words, we don't NEED the EV charged for a few days, but if we have excess free power we might as well charge it today. In that scenario we could plug the EV into one of the excess power circuits knowing that if there's power on the circuit it means it's power above what we need for our house (in other words, excess free power to keep me from pulling power from the grid and adding to my power bill). If there's no power on the excess power circuit it's no big deal: we don't need the EV charged anyway because it's already 75% charged. Likewise if there's no power on it now but will be tomorrow after the sun comes out and has had a while to charge the solar batteries, the EV will automatically be charged without us having to manually unplug/plug it in whenever the solar system has extra power. Likewise if there's power on it now it'll charge now but will turn off automatically later that night after the home batteries have been drained to the point it needs to quit powering the excess power circuits so it can conserve power only for the house's normal use to make it through the night on free power. All of those scenarios are for charging the EV if we don't NEED the charge but would charge it with free power -- done by simply plugging it into one of the excess power circuits without having to monitor it and knowing when to unplug it. Simple and effecient.

But if we come home with the EV and have less than "3/4 of a tank" left (I know the EV has a battery not a tank, but I'm trying to not use the word "battery" for the EV and confuse it with the home solar batteries) we can always plug it into a constant power outlet knowing that some or all of that power will come from the grid. Likewise if we plan to use the EV for a lot of driving in the next few days (i.e. if my wife and I split up for the weekend with her visiting family while I go in another direction to an out-of-town game or whatever, meaning at least one of us has to drive the EV for a trip, which is not a pain if at least one of our trips is withing the 200 or 300 mile range of the EV, but requires at least one stop to charge if on the rare occasion both of us our out of town in separate directions and both of us exceed the 200 or 300 miles range of the EV). So it's not a 100% off-grid/fossil fuel setup like the Dims try to force onto us. That's a pipe dream. But it moves the needle some to make us a little more independent of the Dims' trying to control us economically with their energy polices, all while paying for itself in 10-15 years (a financial threshold of mine I'm willing to pay to provide me a little freedom from the Dims).

If I don't get an EV, and if power rates and natural gas rates rise by 3% annually for inflation, my current solar system will pay for itself in 12-13 years. And most of that cost didn't come out of pocket -- it's with a 1.9% interest loan I took out to pay for the solar system. Obviously it'll pay for itself a lot sooner if the Dims keep jacking up our energy costs above 3% inflation. If the F-150 Lightning or some other EV has been out for a year or two and the people driving it say that its miles per kWh is comparable to the brochure version, and if I can get one as cheaply as Ford says ($40k for the base model getting 230 miles on a charge, add another $10K to get 300 miles on a charge, of course that's carrying no cargo, and all at an efficiency of 2 miles per kWh, but I'll take as 1.8 miles per kWh with a 10% drop in efficiency when charging the DC EV battery with AC power), then I'll get one. With a 1.9% car loan for 5 years, gas currently costing $3.09 per gallon where I live, my wife and I driving an old used truck getting 15 mpg for 200 miles per week (she drives a different car when we drive separately), replacing that truck every 6 years or so for $8K to $10K with another old used truck, and electricity currently costing me 13.3 cents per kWh, and assuming both gasoline and electricity have an inflation rate of 3% (yeah, right) even if I get none of the EV miles for free from my solar system, the EV costs vs. savings would make the EV pay for itself in about 12-13 years. And that's not getting into repair costs. (EV lovers talk like there's zero repairs, but that's a pipe dream. They should talk later after their EV is 8 or 10 years old. But there's also no getting around the fact that my old use trucks have car repairs, costs I'm willing to pay to keep from having car payments. Unless an affordable new truck EV comes out like the F-150 Lightning is at least purported to be.)

Not that I've done the math or anything. LOL

53 posted on 12/02/2021 10:13:13 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

They don’t want us owning cars to begin with. They want us all living in cities stacked and packed, using public transportation. Easier to control that way.

“You will own nothing, and be happy”, -or else.


54 posted on 12/02/2021 10:17:19 AM PST by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: The Great RJ
I'm 100% with you on hating the Dims pushing "green" energy. Since you brought up agriculture's dependency on diesel and electricity, don't forget that natural gas / methane is needed for fertilizer.

I'm saying we as libertarians ought to consider an EV and/or solar on our homes as a means to diversify our energy dependency. If my wife and I have both a gas car and an EV, and later the Dims ration our electricity -- at least we have a gas car. Or if the Dims ration our gasoline -- at least we have an EV. (And by "ration" I'm not just talking about controlled brownouts like California does, or 1970's gas lines. I'm talking about policies that make different energy sources unaffordable.) The same with solar power on our homes.

Just because I hate, hate, hate, hate when the Dims try to force "green" energy on us or scare us with global warming talk (which I believe the earth is warming, it just not a bad thing, we ought to be glad we live in the Current Warming Period instead of one of the cooling periods like the Little Ice Age or the Dark Age). That doesn't mean it was unwise for me to put some solar onto my house. Few things in life have made me more libertarian with my walk, not just talk, than making our home energy consumption more than 50% independent from the whims of politicians at the federal and state level. That's what solar power is for me. Not saving the earth from cow farts. When they make energy costs go up way more than an understandable 3% inflation rate, I grumble about it half as much as I used to. If the leaders in Alabama ever talk about doing scheduled brownouts like California does, I'd tell them to kiss my Christian free American hairy white unsodomized butt while I weather the power outages with hardly a notice (thanks to my 10 kW solar panels with 30kWh battery storage).

So while we tell the Dims to go pound sand on forcing us to go "green" (for reasons including what you stated with agriculture needing diesel), that doesn't mean us libertarians shouldn't consider things like solar power and EV's for our personal use to make use a little more independent.

55 posted on 12/02/2021 10:28:57 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Signalman
Long live carburetors!”

"Personally, I’d rather stick with fuel injection.

Me too. Electronic fuel control is why used cars last twenty years these days, why spark plugs are changed every 50K miles, and why no one even knows what you are talking about if you mention setting the dwell.

56 posted on 12/02/2021 10:32:32 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: M_Continuum

Yes. Only about $8.00 more a month, since we don’t drive/charge everyday.


57 posted on 12/02/2021 10:42:29 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Dutch Boy

So? I have a friend who had the transmission dump on his Lexus just out of warranty. Everyone has a story. I have had many Fords and I have been very happy.


58 posted on 12/02/2021 10:46:42 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother

I am a Ford guy too. All but 2 of my vehicles since the 1970s have been Fords. I have no problem with Fords, it’s the hybrid system failure I was commenting on.


59 posted on 12/02/2021 11:05:37 AM PST by Dutch Boy (The only thing worse than having something taken from you is to have it returned broken. )
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To: Right Brother

A lot lower than I expected, thank you.


60 posted on 12/02/2021 12:49:42 PM PST by M_Continuum
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