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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the judge is saying basically that since no one has been harmed by the mandate, and exemptions are still being reviewed, that there's no need to void the mandate? What kind of logic is that???
1 posted on 11/09/2021 10:40:50 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: boxlunch; M Kehoe; WinMod70; Irish Eyes; Sequoyah101; little jeremiah; laplata; 5th MEB; ...
Vaccine mandate ping list.

Thoughts? At first glance, this does not bode well. Wondered what you all thought.

2 posted on 11/09/2021 10:42:12 AM PST by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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“ Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the judge is saying basically that since no one has been harmed by the mandate, and exemptions are still being reviewed, that there’s no need to void the mandate? What kind of logic is that???”
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Because no one has been fired yet or any other repercussions from the mandate.

I don’t have a case if a Walmart has a wet floor just because they have a wet floor.

But if I fall on the wet floor…….there are now damages.


3 posted on 11/09/2021 10:44:18 AM PST by David Chase
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To: ducttape45

Easy, his real name is Ernst Janning.

I have been resisting a conclusion I have made today. We live in a lawless dictatorship. Can’t sugar coat that. It is.


4 posted on 11/09/2021 10:44:59 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.I ha)
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To: ducttape45

Hopefully expedited to a better fed court today. Is next step SCOTUS or a circuit court?


8 posted on 11/09/2021 10:45:18 AM PST by little jeremiah (Where We Go One We Go All)
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To: ducttape45

So the judge ruled not to block the mandate, but blocked any punishment under the mandate until the case is concluded.


16 posted on 11/09/2021 11:01:18 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ducttape45

The vaccine mandates should be fought on the grounds that the vaccines are not working against the spread of covid and that they have shown to be spreading it.


18 posted on 11/09/2021 11:02:43 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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I learned yesterday that the plaintiff in this case is a grocery store employer of over 500 employees, and has filed this challenge on behalf of his employees, believing they should have freedom of choice. He is a devout Christian and a member of Family Worship Center in Baton Rouge LA. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

https://fwcbr.org/


20 posted on 11/09/2021 11:05:30 AM PST by patriot torch
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To: ducttape45

She has to find that the mandate is valid against everybody that does not have a granted exemptoipn fpor religious objection (or health objection - but that is not at issue in this case).

The only issue is the religous exemption, and as far as she’s concerned, everybody suing will get one, so where’s the beef?


22 posted on 11/09/2021 11:12:05 AM PST by Cboldt
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“This uncertainty weighs decisively against the ripeness of Plaintiffs’ claims and the irreparability of their purported injuries,” the court continued. “Emergency injunctive relief is not appropriate under these circumstances... “[T]he [Marines] have also failed to demonstrate a likelihood of success that their claims are ripe,” the court observed.”

I predicted this seven days ago:


So the judge is left with the standing argument. Once someone with "standing" gets their lawsuit in order, then the goalpost moves to ripeness (nobody is harmed until the illegal votes are counted for impact), and finally that it's too late to file (that the time to file was before the votes were mailed in without an SSN so the voter had the chance to fix it).
It's SOP for liberal judges. Just change the issue from ballot challenges to vaccine challenges.

So the judge is left with the standing argument. Once someone with "standing" gets their lawsuit in order, then the goalpost moves to ripeness (nobody is harmed until the illegal votes are counted for impact plaintiffs are fired), and finally that it's too late to file (that the time to file was before the votes were mailed in without an SSN companies fired employees so the voter employer had the chance to fix the policy).
-PJ
23 posted on 11/09/2021 11:13:44 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER! Have so many forgotten the invasion on our sourthern border? POTUS brazenly allows the Southern Border to stay open....

(Illegal pot fuels ‘narco-slavery’ in Rogue Valley)

25 posted on 11/09/2021 11:16:59 AM PST by yoe
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To: ducttape45

Fear, uncertainty and doubt weigh on these people every day.

They are being harmed mentally.

The stress weakens their immune systems and places them in danger from a Covid infection they might otherwise shrug off.

Those who do not wish to partake of the fruits of a murdered baby can not make long-term purchases such as new car or house.

Car salesmen and real estate agents are being harmed by the lack of judicial action.


30 posted on 11/09/2021 11:25:02 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: ducttape45

It’s pretty standard legal logic. You can’t sue for redress unless you can demonstrate you’ve experienced actual harm.

If I say “I’m going to burn your house down”, you can’t sue me for the cost of a new house. You have to wait until I actually burn it down before a judge would let that suit proceed. So someone will need to get their religious exemption denied, and then suffer harm like being discharged from the military, before they can sue to get some recompense for that harm they suffered, and possibly get a judge to stop others like them from being harmed the same way.


34 posted on 11/09/2021 11:31:15 AM PST by Boogieman
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Those servicepeople that can be cowed by the threat of the loss of VA benefits and will likely bolt on the battlefields of tomorrow.


36 posted on 11/09/2021 11:35:38 AM PST by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: ducttape45

You have no standing to axe that question.


43 posted on 11/09/2021 12:05:12 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: ducttape45

“What kind of logic is that???”

Federal paycheck logic.


47 posted on 11/09/2021 12:43:38 PM PST by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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To: ducttape45

“What kind of logic is that???”

Federal paycheck logic.


48 posted on 11/09/2021 12:43:41 PM PST by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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Just found out today that 3 religious exemption packages came back denied. The appeal process is now starting for those three. That is three out of 50 so far.

So the judge ruled incorrectly. People, good people, decorated veterans, are being systematically denied their religious rights, and are therefore "being harmed."

49 posted on 11/10/2021 8:39:32 AM PST by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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