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Consequences of America Losing a War to China—Part 1
Epoch Times ^ | 10/28/2021 | Austin Bay

Posted on 11/03/2021 8:13:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Commentary

In July The National Interest published an essay entitled “Can America Lose to China?” written by Kishore Mahbubani, a fellow at the National University of Singapore’s Asia Research Institute and a former Singapore U.N. Ambassador.

The essay focuses on the China-U.S. political, economic, and social competition. Mahbubani begins with an observation: Americans believe “an open society like America has many natural advantages” over China’s autocracy. By assuming inherent advantage, “Americans cannot even conceive of the possibility of losing out to China.”

That may well be true, though not quite in the way he frames the problem.

I disagree with several of Mahbubani’s subsequent points. He believes the United States should reintegrate its economy with China’s. Sure, trade is beneficial, but U.S. overreliance on China is a strategic error. Fair trade does not exist when dictatorial whim rigs contracts and court decisions.

At times he portrays Beijing as relatively benign and misunderstood. He says the United States can get along with China as long as it “doesn’t disrupt the world order.”

Disruption is Beijing’s business. China has encroached on the Philippines’ maritime exclusive economic zone. (See the 2016 Hague Court of Arbitration ruling.) Vietnam has repeatedly confronted Chinese drilling rigs and “sea militia” boats invading internationally recognized Vietnamese waters. Indian and Chinese forces skirmish in the Himalayas and have since 1962.

Prominent Americans have contemplated losing the economic and political competition with China, with a resulting loss in wealth and diplomatic clout. Mahbubani clearly despises former President Donald Trump. Perhaps faculty club virtue-signaling blinds him to an obvious truth: Trump saw and still sees the possibility of losing to China.

Still, the ambassador deserves credit for recognizing a failure to contemplate uncomfortable alternative futures. I frame it this way: The majority of the American public and national leaders have yet to think about the consequences of losing a major war to China.

The Pentagon concentrates on military deterrence and, failing that, winning in combat. For seven decades U.S. and allied planners have conducted war games examining “what ifs” in a Taiwan Strait conflict and other east Asian scenarios.

In the last decade several games have examined a shooting (kinetic) war in the western Pacific and Asian littoral pitting the United States and allies against China. Occasionally Russian forces cooperate with China.

The Pentagon acknowledges conducting several classified war games in 2020. In March 2021 Yahoo News discussed one of them, a U.S. Air Force war game in the 2030 time frame. The scenario began with “a Chinese biological-weapon attack that swept through U.S. bases and warships in the Indo-Pacific region.” A Chinese military exercise camouflaged “the deployment of a massive invasion force,” which launched a lightning “assault on the island of Taiwan.”

Chinese missiles struck “U.S. bases and warships” throughout the region.

Yahoo quoted U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. S. Clinton Hinote: “The (game’s) definitive answer if the U.S. military doesn’t change course is that we’re going to lose fast.” Hinote added “More than a decade ago, our war games indicated that the Chinese were doing a good job of investing in military capabilities that would make our preferred model of expeditionary warfare, where we push forces forward and operate out of relatively safe bases and sanctuaries, increasingly difficult.”

Hinote didn’t discuss America’s loss in ships and planes and killed, wounded, and captured personnel. But clearly America lost the simulated military campaign.

If China took Taiwan, then it would have achieved a major CCP goal, one with horrifying real-world military, diplomatic, economic, and territorial consequences.

It is foolish to believe an intense war involving China and the United States would be confined to the Taiwan Strait and end with Taiwan’s loss. In the scenario, missiles hit regional U.S. bases—meaning Japan, South Korea, Guam, perhaps Australia, Singapore, and Hawaii.

Go a step farther. What keeps this western Pacific war from escalating to a war for national survival?

Next week’s column will examine several very uncomfortable consequences of America losing a war to China. One scenario has war erupting before the 2024 U.S. national election.

Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.


Austin Bay is a colonel (ret.) in the U.S. Army Reserve, author, syndicated columnist, and teacher of strategy and strategic theory at the University of Texas–Austin. His latest book is “Cocktails from Hell: Five Wars Shaping the 21st Century.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; china; war

1 posted on 11/03/2021 8:13:51 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They’d have to successfully subvert 50% of the military, plus the equipment. Police are already a lost cause.


2 posted on 11/03/2021 8:16:03 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: wastedyears
Well... how much of the force is fat, female, woke, and androgynous? Watch the space force recruitment video.

How much of the equipment, including ALL THE PENTAGON'S ROUTERS are made in china? China has every schematic of every weapons system we have. And their kids are smart, not woke.

3 posted on 11/03/2021 8:31:06 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: SeekAndFind

I can’t see how a war with China wouldn’t go nuclear.


4 posted on 11/03/2021 9:11:35 PM PDT by 1956tbyrd
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To: 1956tbyrd

The CCP is willing to lose millions of their own people to accomplish their goals.


5 posted on 11/04/2021 12:53:29 AM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: 1956tbyrd

Agree 100%.


6 posted on 11/04/2021 1:36:13 AM PDT by 2big2fail (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Red China is in a business partnership with America’s elites; talk of such war is bizarre when you consider we built them (and continue to do so) by flooding our stores with their cheap junk.

We will fight a war with Canada before we fight Red China.


7 posted on 11/04/2021 3:13:43 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SeekAndFind

Those that think we aren’t currently at war with China, possibly a world War, are niave. This is a war completely different from what a person’s idea of a war is. This war is indeed turning out to be just as deadly and without a single shot being fired. I ponder if it’s not a war of the governments against the people and the propaganda is keeping the people from an uprising against said governments. The people are content to living in the created fear and take a death vaccine if the airborne virus doesn’t kill them first.
Are the reports of government t officials taking ivermectin to protect against this airborne virus correct?
Just my 2 cents.


8 posted on 11/04/2021 4:24:19 AM PDT by TermLimits4All (Biden will never be my President. There’s only 1 option left and it won’t be pretty.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The first "casualty" of a war with China would be "Free" Trade. This would be a great thing for future generations of Americans in the long term. Bringing back manufacturing is the key to survival.

Cutting all economic ties to the third world will save the USA. We have to stop imported 3rd world standards ( cheap labor ) into a first world country.

9 posted on 11/04/2021 4:32:58 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: 1956tbyrd
I can’t see how a war with China wouldn’t go nuclear.

For the same reason Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan didn't go nuclear.

10 posted on 11/04/2021 4:34:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: 2big2fail

Disagree 100%.


11 posted on 11/04/2021 4:35:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va
For the same reason Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan didn't go nuclear.

Because the space aliens...

12 posted on 11/04/2021 4:36:50 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee
Because the space aliens...

Wait, what?

13 posted on 11/04/2021 4:38:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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