Posted on 10/22/2021 1:04:38 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
I guess Russia and China grew tired of threatening Taiwan. So now they feel like they will pick on someone a little bigger?
When is it our turn? When will they send their battleships to US territories? Knowing full well that pedo Joe will do nothing about it.
“Taiwan is lost, the CCP will take it whenever they want because Judas Joe was paid off by the Chinese long ago.”
There’s a lot in play right now. Xi has an election coming up and he has done a lot to insure the military backs him, including replacing most, if not all, the generals put in place by the previous chairman. The Chinese have historically, since ‘49 gone to war whenever there are significant problems at home, because it is better to have the people focused on an outside enemy. The Olympics are coming up and it looks as though many of the major countries might boycott. It looks as though most of the big companies will be out of China before the Olympics*. A large number of the big companies have already left. The games have already been dubbed The Genocide Olympics. (Oh, yeah, great advertising opportunity.)
On the good(?) side, it appears the Chinese economy is either on the verge of collapsing, or already falling. This may cause so much internal strife that their army will be fully involved in a civil war. One hopes they can keep it to themselves. (If you think Davis and Lincoln would not have used nukes to end the US civil war if they’d had them, you’re almost certainly wrong.)
* China will require the companies to “sponsor” the Olympics. Those who do will be portrayed by their competitors as supporting slavery. Those who don’t will earn the ire of the CCP. It’s a rock/hard place issue most of the big boys want to avoid.
First they had to get rid of that pesky surveillance sub via an unfortunate accident...
Depends on the current resident in the White House. In past conflicts, where Japan handily won, the Western powers (USA and European nations) intervened and forced Japan to give up ground and settle for peace (1800's to mid-1900s). If not for USA interference, Japan would be running China and portions of Russia (as well as their territories in Korea and Taiwan). Next time around, if Japan whips China and Russia into submission, perhaps Biden will turn a blind eye. Maybe having an idiot like Biden around may work in Japan's favor.
Did the Chinese bring the Russians so they could have someone to tow them?
If they cow the Japanese it will be the second time in history. It took two nukes the first time. Two. And the IJA still didn’t want to surrender until the Emperor forced it. Japan has changed since then, but cultural roots run deep. Does China really want to reawaken Japan’s militarism? Do they really want Japan to assemble those nukes?
At this very moment, Japanese robot tuna are attaching electronic surveillance devices to each ship.
Not according to actual history. Americans think it was the nukes that got Japan to surrender, but they weren't. The USA used the nukes to warn off the Russians from invading Japan. The Japanese military leaders weren't concerned about the nuke damage, of more concern was the threat of loss of territory and an invasion by Russia on the northern islands. The thought of a two-front invasion (the planned invasion of the south by the USA and Russia in the north) convinced the military and the Emperor to capitulate to the USA. Japan would not have surrendered even with a third nuke (the USA would be ready with up to 7 nukes by late October 1945).
The Emperor attributed his decision to the nukes in his surrender address. So, I think that is likely the final straw. In actuality Russia had very few troops in the Far East and had almost no amphibious capability. The Japanese were prepared and would likely have ruined any force Stalin could have mustered in 1945. Also there were still a lot of Japanese troops on the Russia/Manchuria border. While the Japanese Navy had been destroyed by the Allies, Japan’s Army was relatively unscathed and spoiling for a fight. An invasion would have been horrible.
A good read on this is the book “Hell to Pay” by Dennis Giangreco. He goes over the entire thing very painstakingly.
Source !
Multiple sources exist, google for them. Example:
Excerpt: “Moscow subsequently declared war on Tokyo on August 8, 1945, two days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and one day before the second bomb fell on Nagasaki (though Western historiography has long emphasized the role of the nuclear attacks in compelling Japan’s surrender, newly available Japanese documents emphasize the importance of the Soviet declaration of war in forcing Tokyo’s hand).”
Another example:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
Excerpt: “Viewed from the Japanese perspective, the most important day in that second week of August wasn’t Aug. 6 but Aug. 9. That was the day that the Supreme Council met — for the first time in the war — to discuss unconditional surrender. The Supreme Council was a group of six top members of the government — a sort of inner cabinet — that effectively ruled Japan in 1945. Japan’s leaders had not seriously considered surrendering prior to that day.”
“If the Japanese were not concerned with city bombing in general or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in particular, what were they concerned with? The answer
is simple: the Soviet Union.”
“... The impact of the Soviet declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria and Sakhalin Island was quite different, however. Once the Soviet Union had declared war, Stalin could no longer act as a mediator — he was now a belligerent. So the diplomatic option was wiped out by the Soviet move. The effect on the military situation was equally dramatic. Most of Japan’s best troops had been shifted to the southern part of the home islands. Japan’s military had correctly guessed that the likely first target of an American invasion would be the southernmost island of Kyushu.”
“...It didn’t take a military genius to see that, while it might be possible to fight a decisive battle against one great power invading from one direction, it would not be possible to fight off two great powers attacking from two different directions. The Soviet invasion invalidated the military’s decisive battle strategy, just as it invalidated the diplomatic strategy. At a single stroke, all of Japan’s options evaporated. The Soviet invasion was strategically decisive — it foreclosed both of Japan’s options — while the bombing of Hiroshima (which foreclosed neither) was not.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/
See my replies #32 and #33. Japanese military were prepared for an invasion in the south by USA troops, while other Japanese troops were decimated or captured by Russians elsewhere. Japan was not prepared for a two-front war against both Russia and the USA at the close of WWII. The Russians were already capturing territory in the northern islands and Japan was losing ground.
Is one of the ships named Kamchatka?
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